let's bring in suzann spalding, the senior advisor of homeland security at the center for strategic andank you so much. i think there are people who are out there who are surprised that the internet still works in ukraine. >> well, it is perhaps surprising, but it may be that russia is planning to and is using that internet for surveillance, for example. anyone who's on a connected device, they have powerful surveillance capabilities, and their ability to track down, for example, a putin enemies list, individuals and keep track of folks is enhanced if the internet is up and running. >> well, so, what sort of cyberattacks are you on the lookout for right now? >> well, we've already seen cyberattacks. obviously, over the last several days, and really going back even longer than that. we saw a steady drum beat. we've seen cyberattacks on banks. we've seen cyberattacks on the government ministries. there will be, i think, two objectives. there will be some tactical objectives, so use of cyber to disrupt the ability of ukraine to defend itself, but there will also be strategic objectives to