there's a long history of book controversies in this country, says pen america ceo suzanne nossel, buthis feels different. >> it is an intensification. far more book bans sprouting up all over the country than we ever saw before. more formalized efforts. they are not just a challenge in an individual school system or library, but legislation being introduced in state houses that would affect the availability of books all over the state, in every school and library. the ferocity of the debates and the link to larger political tensions and polarization. it's inflaming communities and that is something we haven't seen before. >> what books do you see most affected? where is the impact? >> it's overwhelmingly books by and about people of color and lgbtq individuals. so it can be stories about a transgender kind of coming of age story, stories about slavery, about black americans and the black experience and racial injustice in this country. so those kinds of narratives that are something other than kind of a pure, very traditional,ou know what some people might think of as a standard old s

suzanne nossel, the author of "dare to speak defending free speech for all", and thank you all for joining liberals, the woke culture disconnected from large segments of the democratic majority. talk about this time this past weekend, and ill liberalism that many see on the right and on the left. >> i've found that a fascinating piece because i think on one hand, to say we should speak out and go after people that say my oj nis or racist or bigoted things is one thing, but we have gotten to the point now where if you even disagree with what is considered trendy or what is considered right by either the far right or the far left, all of a sudden you're cancelled, and that gets very close to banning free speech and free expression. if you cannot have debate, even in the civil rights community or the women's rights community or political circles, it's my way or your way, we are inhibiting freedom, and i think it's gone too far on the fringe sides of both the right and the left. >> suzanne, let me just -- i'll go ahead and give an example of this that i don't think many people on tv have. but