. >> hello i am suzanne spaulding, i was the undersecretary of the department of homeland security responsible for cyber security infrastructure protection including elections. i am now with the center for strategic international studies where i am looking at leading a project to look at all the ways and with -- in which russia is doing underlined public trust and confidence in a fundamental pillar of democracy, mainly within the justice -- the judicial justice system. we know what we see here has been going on for some time elsewhere specifically in the ukraine as it's been a proving ground for techniques against the u.s. and i'm wondering, if you saw similar measures targeting the judiciary, we have certainly seen them in hungary and poland and elsewhere.>> it's not that i could say that i have. the judicial system in ukraine has unfortunately been most affected by corruption, simply corruption and a lack of follow- through in the rule of law. i will allow the rest of us to share the blame as being part of the source of corruption in ukraine but they aren't responsible, ukraine is responsibl