are making an argument that at&t is a private entity that is trying to expand into public space on swalks, in heavily traveled street areas and at&t reps are saying that they're a quasi-utility and public entity. but i'm just curious, under state law, that have different requirements so we should be look at them as if they were a public utilities commission, but are they a private entity or are they quasi-public entity? >> i don't note answer to that. but again, i don't think that affects your decision because as a private party they would come to you for a permit. as a public agency, even if the city itself as a public agency decided to place all these boxes, it would be a discretionary decision with possible environmental impacts subject to ceqa. so whether it has ra right to be in the right of way or it's quasi-public or not, you have -- they're proposing to do something with potentially significant impacts. we need to do environmental review. so that question, while very interesting and there's probably different points of view and i'm not a utilities expert but i do know ceqa and thi

are making an argument that at&t is a private entity that is trying to expand into public space on swalks, in heavily traveled street