in swaoed sweden, what they said besides the cameras is that they really didn't have that many, but, what they did not have were movable cameras. and so, they were able to move it from one place to another, and every so often. and so if it felt to drivers like they had a lot of cameras up. and maybe that is something that if we don't have enough funding if we pursue that avenue, we may want to look at that strategy. i think that one of the things that really, we have like advocates we have walk advocates, and these organizations, and one of the things that struck me is that we didn't have families involved. and in an organized way, and the as commissioner kim was saying, the familis for safe streets, that group was really to me, the power behind the advocacy and i am hoping that people that went to the syposium will talk among themself and see if we can form a similar group. and the point about the black box and so forth, i will, and i am already pursuing seeing what we can do in staoet for that, and it is just such an inexpensive tool for us. and to, and 250 bucks a crack, and for,