the first and the obvious is the murders of these three civil rights workers, goodman, swarner and cheneye cannot read american history or african-american history certainly, one cannot talk about how this country survived the era of segregation and jim crow without knowing about these three civil rights workers. again, goodman, swarnar and cheney who were brutally murdered in mississippi. how old were you when these murders took place? >> i was about 9 years old at that time. tavis: you were born and raised in philadelphia, yes? >> born and raised in philadelphia. tavis: so what do you recall -- or do you recall being 9 years old when these murders took place and what do you recall about the years shortly thereafter? >> my parents pretty much kept us aware of what was going on. the voter movement was taking place. they was talking about people coming to help register people to vote, the planned activity was fairly -- fairly open at that time. and i can remember one particular time during that season of laying on the floor with my father, with him having the gun, just because we were told