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swarthmore college. i'm a total nerd. >> did you get a certain teacher. >> i don't remember. so i have a question. the big generalist. so i would love your practical recommendations on how to delay or avoid this impending recession that we all speak up. and can we use narratives as a tool to actually achieve that. >> i don't have the most concrete advice. i pitch this book at the beginning of 30 years of research by other economists okay. >> [laughter] >> so i can see that we are saved from a depression partly adjournment of the federal reserve board in 2007, and 2008, when the crisis came. he wrote a book about the great depression who had real-world knowledge and who had the idea that we can't let this narrative get going. i talked to about this. any doesn't want to put it in these terms exactly but why did they immediately bail out some firms, and they lift it to collapse but other firms did bailouts. it helps detect them. he was definitely motivated by the fear and fear itself. the confidence narrative. it's not the core curriculum in the economics department in four year

he was previously at swarthmore. it was there that the idea for the study came to him.t was not actually his own idea . it was actually his students. see asked him, we want to the idea of madness up close. he said to them, if you want to see it up close, become a mental patient. go undercover in a psychiatric hospital. they all said, yes, we want to. when he actually posed this idea to their parents, none of them approved it. david rosenhan decided to go in himself. that is where the germs of this study started. also get aders will brief history of how this country and western societies have treated mental illness over time. i would like to have you walk us through that. but say the early part of the 20th century, people who were diagnosed with mental illness, what were the options available? susannah: we have had some different stages in the way we treat in view vent on a spirit i start the book with the story of nelly bly. -- we could go back forever with ancient egyptians boring holes into people's skulls. i started with nelly bly who was this amazing woman. sister.n