guest: my point was -- that picture was taken in swatt, an area taken over by the taliban and the army pushed them back out and the army took thrus to visit the area. the point of that photograph was to show that, you know, what was once a very, as i said, moderate, peaceful, agricultural region, had really become a gun culture and now there are guns all over pakistan. and these islamic groups that are now threatening both the state of pakistan as well as their neighbors, you know, there millions of weapons in that country. host: you point out in the book, one of the polls show 17% of respondents in pakistan found america to be a favorable country. i haven't seen it but i suspect it's the same way going the other way after all this. and you have to ask, why are we spending billions and billions and billions of dollars from us to pakistan, and how much -- have you ever totaled up the figure from the beginning? guest: i've heard a lot of different figures over the years and some of it's military, some is economic. there have been different sources of aid in different amounts but certainl