she's sue swenson, very dynamic, energetic individual who i think will be an outstanding leader of the board as et goes forward. as it goes forward. we've just part last two years been led by sam g be inn, a former wireless executive at air touch and vodafone, and sam did a wonderful job giving the organization the credibility it needed at the outset. he's decided to step aside, and sue will be taking over. so i expect we're going to see a tremendous amount of energy and activity out of firstnet here over the coming months. >> host: larry trick lipping, just from an organizational point of view, what's the interaction between ntia and the fcc? >> guest: the fcc is the independent regulatory body, so as they are dealing with rules, as they're dealing with enforcement, they have the jurisdiction to do that. we can provide input through their rulemakings in the form of administration positions, and we do that when we think the opportunity is appropriate. but in general, it's the fcc that has the ultimate responsibility in those areas. >> host: so how much time do you spend with tom wheele