emily: you came out of sybase looking like a hero.u came out of sybase looking like a hero. and great ceo's and executives there is often a myth about them that is sort of boiled down to legend. what is the myth of john chen? and what is the reality? john: i actually think i'm a pretty simple, straightforward kind of guy. i like working with people. i like focusing on objectives and results. most people ask me, why are you doing this? the company is already dead. to me, it is just, i am just going to take one step at a time and do better every day. eventually, we will break through. i am actually a lot more relaxed than most people think. emily: people are telling you that blackberry is already dead. john: yes. emily: why did you take this job? john: that is a great question. i think i flunked retirement. [laughter] john: that is probably the real -- there is a bunch of reasons. i could give you this reason about it being iconic in the industry, and it's a great company that has a lot of technology, therefore i think there is a lot of