but there was also the type of sydney weinberg who actually had a very different background.nd i thought you might want to get into that. >> host: sure. you know, unlike, you know, i worked at lazard for six years which, you know, was sort of an elite -- now it's public, but for a long time a private partnership. and i would walk around the corridors and wonder how i got there because, you know, next to me were sons and daughters of presidents of france and sons and daughters of ceos of publicly-traded companies and, you know, me, a kid from worcester, massachusetts. so that was a firm where you expected to see pedigreed individuals. goldman sachs truly was -- not that they weren't smart, because they were. they recruited very smart people at lazard too. but at goldman it's something else. it's this notion of being team players, being academically gifted, being achievement-oriented, having achieved greatness at every step of the way. and also being team-oriented. so, you know, somehow your ego stayed in check while, you know, enough to help the team. so they love athletes at