hello hello sylvia hello jack thank you very much for joining us on the show and i like to start with a question i have back out about science fiction have course as we're talking space and since we're talking about about horizons that science fiction literature is putting for us well. essentially you know science fiction was all about traveling to outer space it was a dream it was a dream of scientists it was a dream of writers it is becoming a routine so is still sort of the dream today a dream that you are dreaming soon again the jack is dreaming some crazy dream that may become a routine in it in one hundred years what would you say what is it i think the big big problem to start with is well there are two things one is very expensive and another is that we didn't find anything that has a trigger public consciousness. when the year you're talking about the twenty's thirty's forty's if you look at the science fiction of that period they were talking about finding canals on mars for example they were talking about. some kind of creatures somewhere in the solar system like they were