sylvia holton spokesperson for the aid organization wild vision germany joins me now in the studio thanks so much for coming in and let's kick off with then with a look at cop 25 i mean do you trust that the big decision makers there are doing enough no i don't i fear that they don't take the right to do so decisions what i'm hearing from the corp now is really disappointing. they have disputes around loss and damage and about carbon emissions it's so they're just looking on the paper whether they look nice and so lots of potential infighting yeah yeah there's a lot of infighting and so i don't think that the outcomes will be very good also if you look at the history of climate conferences so the 1st one started in 1905 so if you look what happened afterwards saw emissions carbon emissions were rising every year so. i must say i'm really disappointed until now a bleak outlook at the moment then but if you wanted to send a message for example and say what you want to see come out of this cop 25 from those big players what would it be we really need ambitious action yeah we need to acknowle