recession and we have the services sector looking at numbers that were just after the recession, and syme, this is not good. >> we're going backwards, so doubt about it. and i don't, biden, you know, this is not about, by the way, private equity. when i think job creators, i'm thinking of husband and wife owing a lawn mowing service and 12 employees, those are the people that created jobs and i think the policies and the threat from the administration have held back these kind of people. and i think the obama care-- >> it's not-- but it is part of the big line, they're trying to say, trying to blame what's going on. >> no doubt. >> on the private sector, maybe so. >> you blame them, but you punish everyone. the obama tax thing on dividends doesn't just hit very rich people. you have $250 grand, it's a smoke screen. >> it hurts people that are investing in a private economy. i think what you're seeing here is attack on the private economy, relentless and journalists, not holding them accountable for the simple fact, i tell you, this is where i'm at odds with adam. do private equity, the no

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