and it's and if they see that syria if you can get take syria down one way or another it exposes the weaknesses of iran that's a very cynical foreign policy but there's in between the lines that's what it seems like to me go ahead. well first of all it's true that if the syrian regime or other when it falls it will weaken iran it will weaken. lebanon it is already having been affected by the way on the behavior of hamas which dropped out of the mask was out of their own will and can't you've got to be everything to gaza it is to some extent but look here is the problem with all that logic this civil war in syria didn't start by any kind of western instigation it started by the syrian people that is to say it is not something that started by foreign instigation not the americans not attacks not the israelis for god's sake it's started by the syrian people so this is a given situation now and what i said before and i will repeat it now it's not about democracy it's not about nation building you never add these words from me i agree completely with joshua landis that there can be nation

and syria this morning. the bbc says the united nations has reached a deal with syria outlining the rules for the deployment of observers to monitor that country's cease-fire. a spokesman for u.n. arab league envoy kofi annan said the agreement covered the functions of the mission and the syrian government's responsibilities. a nominal truce is in place in syria, but reports of violence have continued. meanwhile, the u.n.'s chief ban ki-moon is due to brief the security council on the situation in new york. earlier, mr. ban said violence had escalated in recent days and he said he wanted the observer mission to increase to 300 to be deployed over three months. some correspondents say the security council, which is not due to make a decision until next week, might be afraid to put unarmed observers on the ground if the situation continues to deteriorate at the same rate. so that, again, from the bbc. as we wait for members to make their way back to the hearing room, let's show you a portion of this morning's

are i don't think, syria is not weak and isolated, syria is not ostracized. >> rose: syria presumes... it looks like they're prepared to fight to the end. >> absolutely. we have friends all over the world. those who attended the world in istanbul were only 71 countries. >> rose: which countries do you consider your friends other than syria and russia and china. >> it's very informative that there were only 71 countries while at the united nations you have to deal with 193 member states. so one-third of the so-called international community decided to meet in istanbul the two other thirds did not go. that means the majority are against an interference in the domestic affairs of syria. we are legally speaking in a very strong position legally speaking because it's wrong to interfere in other business and domestic affairs. this is wrong. this is item one. >> you did not have a successful vote in the united nations security council because russia and china blocked it. >> thank god. this is a kind of balance of powers. we need it. the council is not democratic anymore. the shape of the co

the government outside of syria who's saying we support our friends in syria. that's what the russians said to me at this table. >> rose: this is a good sign. >> rose: well you're the one complaining about the other side that said we supported these people as they supported the libyan rebels even though there's a difference and the two circumstances. >> to those who are betting on ostracizingyria are i don't think, syria is not weak and isolated, syria is not ostracized. >> rose: syria presumes... it looks like they're prepared to fight to the end. >> absolutely. we have friends all over the world. those who attended the world in istanbul were only 71 countries. >> rose: which countries do you consider your friends other than syria and russia and china. >> it's very informati tat there were only 71 countries while at the united nations you have to deal with 193 member states. so one-third of the so-called international community decided to meet in istanbul the two other thirds did not go. that means the majority are against an interference in the domestic affai

between the government of syria and the opposition. syria has stated many times that they are sticking to the plan of anon but if mr anon is actually working on a plan you hear the other side is saying we cannot give one hundred million dollars as they said yesterday to pay salaries to opposition and to terrorists to shoot and continue shooting so i doubt that at this point that. you know the peace initiative by is going it's going to be going very smoothly especially with that line is looming very soon so you would agree then with russia's concerns that the friends of syria is blatantly undermining the efforts of the u.n. . oh i think sabotaging the whole you and process and i think the american are dictating violence and chaos in syria and in the region i think it's time for the americans to let the people of syria get together and the healing spark between the syrian i think everybody agrees there is should be a new form in syria but if the americans say we are committed to fund this. that is shooting and putting violence in place t

our policy in syria is very clear. we support a political and democratic transition that fulfills the syrian people's greatest aspirations. to support that objective, the united states is leading international efforts along five tracks. first, we are supporting efforts to maintain international pressure and advance transition, political transition, in syria. we join with our partners in the united nations security council including now russia and china, in calling for the urgent comprehensive and immediate implementation of all aspects of the plan. second, we are further isolating the assad regime. we are encouraging other countries to join the united states, the european union and the arab league in imposing strong sanctions against it. these sanctions are putting assad under greater pressure than ever before. we are undermining the financial life lines of the regime. three united states executive orders targeted senior leadership, commercial and the central bank of syria. the result is that 30% of the regime, of the

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not an agent of syria. so you know their opinion periods of eleven months political and. cheering which all relationships syria took was not good we had problems even featuring us there were problems between us and then and now those who used to benefit from political. influence of syria and lebanon they are now the ones who are on. the phone posing us whereas we used to be under pressure from syria we are friends were not engaged in. syria the various segments of the syrian opposition know that and all the political forces in the region and there is no girlfriend. for us and that's a first and second period when i say we support a potential cause of national. and we're certain it will be willing to fix said any that or any on the contribution of chief but that's what i'm going to tackle solution in the past and i said some new development here and we contacted some parties but they refused to get into it a try not with the regime to leave so any any group that wants i would probably die along with russia a

in syria. clearview since i was first in one of the originally first in principle we don't want to interfere in the interference of arab states has always been up on the simple well i have been developments and there of the world have been exposed very serious and very importantly to an extent that nobody really knew move the no party can just not take a position regarding. in syria everybody knows that it was a pushover that says regime obama for his supporters on the resistance in lebanon supported the resistance in palestine and that is that it says it's not the guys down to face it it's really an american pressure so it's a regime which serves the palestinian cause very well. what we call for in serious negotiations dialogue is there reform and there is always going to be carried out because the alternative to that because of the twenty first season but also inside syria because of the sensitivity of the situation in syria they also the chance to push their way into civil war and this is ex

in syria. three reasons first and we're not the originally first as in principle we can't want to interfere in the interference of arab states that's always been our policy well a lot of them have been developments in the arab world have been it's very serious and very importantly to an extent that nobody really knew movement no party can just not take a position regarding. and. in syria everybody knows face. best as regime when if he has supported the resistance in lebanon supported the resistance in palestine right now it's not backing down to in the face of history be an american pressure so this is a regime which serves the kind of thing in course very well. what we call for in serious negotiations dialogue is that reform after the reform is going to be carried out because the alternative to that are no way because of the first season but it was inside syria because of the sensitivity of the situation in syria but also that is to push their way into civil war and this is exactly what the am

>> syria? >> yes. >> if i could give you a firm answer as to what we saw happening, i probably would not be in this job, i would be somewhere else. it is a tough thing to try to look at elements in play and determine exactly how this will play out. obviously intelligence has provided its perspective on this. the best thing that we can see as a result of the broad base insurgency and results of the international community approach to dealing with sanctions and the pressures and continuing to indicate that he must get done, as a result of what the u.n. is doing in implementing a ceasefire were you have the support of russia and china, there is a whole series of efforts that are putting incredible, pressure on the regime to do the right thing. this may continue to play out. he will continue to play this out. >> playing off of that assumption and around how the plans evolves specifically over the past year since we have seen the syrian revelation come out? >> what we do and what general dempsey doe

there's a three-fold game going on in syria. you have saudi arabia and iran -- you have egypt and israel in the arab spring. then you have electoral campaign in the united states and you in addition have to take into account the attitude of china and russia. the good news is the adoption of the resolution and the security council of the united states and it's important that this resolution should be with the new attitude of all the countries i just mentioned. and the attitude of the these countries has to be the same. this resolution now exists in the meantime and has time to carry on repressing the population. there's a special envoy sending two messages. we're giving more time in power. also until a resolution. china and russia believe it's okay for the people. now that we have the resolution, it's important we take into account all these factors. the european union actions are welcome in regards to humanitarian aid and the funds being channelled by the commission under the responsibility of the commission. we now have to carr

in syria. well clear reasons first and when the originally first in principle be current want to interfere in the interference of arab states it's always been our policy. have been prevented and center of the world have been excited very serious and very importantly to next i don't know getting a new movement no party can just not take a position regarding. in syria everybody knows that this oppression of assets regime obama has supported their own the resistance in lebanon supported the resistance in palestine your primaries to snopes back to town in the face of history and american pressure so it's a receiver which serves the greatest thing and cause very well. what we call for in serious negotiations i log is there a format for there are going to be carried out because the alternative to that are no way because of the first season but inside syria because of the sensitivity of the situation in syria they also just to push their way into civil war and this is exactly what america and israel w

>> in syria? >> yes. >> first of all, you know, on occasion i've been portrayed as saying this would just be too hard so let's not do it. i want to assure you that's not the case. if asked to do something, we absolutely have the capability. but in terms of my concerns and how they would translate into military advice, is i have to be very clear about the military objectives that i was being asked to achieve, and i would have to be -- i'd have to be clear about how those military objectives were contributing to some outcome that we would all -- we would all understand and probably agree upon. so what is the outcome? if it's just stopping the violence, that's one outcome, or if p it's just changing the regime, that's another outcome. but the point is i can build from that outcome. i can build military options. my other responsibility is to balance the risk to the mission. you know, what would be the cost of doing this in lives and equipment and the risks to the force, because it's a zero-sum game. w

it's just a friend of syria not an agent of syria. you know their appearance of lebanon's political and cheering which our relationship with syria was not good we had problems even between us there were problems between us and then and now those who used to benefit from the political. influence of syria in lebanon they are now the ones who are out. there not posing us whereas we used to be under pressure from syria we are friends we're not an agency the syrians are very small segments of the syrian opposition no doubt and all the political forces in the region others no girlfriend. but friends and that's a first go and second period when i say we support a political suppression of that and most certainly will be willing to accept any effort or any contribution and to change that that's what i'm going to call solution to the person i said to you that if you we we contacted some parties but they refused to get into a fine old with the regime to leave so any any group that wants i would rob it i know my regime and would like us to leave

syria. correspond with the u.n. in new york with more. conversation political analyst chris bambery joining us from the lawn of the evening information on the ground in syria where long has been hard to verify it's been sketchy but this is their claim there's shelling ongoing killings in a country we know here in media reports from a syrian t.v. . news in the other side of the sort of things was kind of tit for. these reports to think first of all. well i think it does seem that the ceasefire is part of the country it's a fragile cease fire and as you say there do seem to reports and certain areas in homs for instance there has been continuing fighting reports of government shelling in the government is also it in the armed groups have been taking action so it's a fragile cease fire but it does seem to hold a watch parts of the country and it would seem to me there is a possibility of peace to forestall a civil war inside. actually welcomed i think the developments we saw today it was in par

what do you say to that, that somehow syria -- that if we would get involved in syria we could help the people there move on to a more democratic or different type of government, that it would help us to bring the threat of iran down in the neighborhood? >> there is absolutely no question that if the assad regime comes down, that the one country in that part of the world that's going to be even further isolated is iran. and iran knows that, and that's the reason they continue to provide some assistance to assad, is because they know that their interests are in maintaining the assad regime, not in seeing it go down. >> the only thing i think i'd add, congresswoman, is the fall of the assad regime would be a serious blow to iran. i think the general has testified before this body to that effect. but saying that it is the key would be analogous to saying you're going to solve a rubik's cube puzzle by lining up one side and neglecting the other flee. three. as was said, there are no silver bullets out there. >> secretary, is there any circumstances under which the united states would get in

. >> will the cease-fire and syria hold it? >> and the european court of human rights makes a criminal offense. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- syria and is relatively calm this morning. while there has been no shelling, it is reported that six people were killed there today. annan has called on damascus to withdraw all troops and weapons from flashpoint city's. >> there have been reports of sporadic violations of the ceasefire by government forces and the regime. >> is a fragile truce, but it has brought a measure of calm to syria. troops should have been pulled back two days ago under the annan plan. this unverified video screens to show shelling in homs. the main syrian exiled opposition group says that the cease-fire holds, there should be talks for a transition process. >> there should be, according to the plan, some kind of dialogue. it should be about the transitional phase. >> government is currently in control of most of the country. it denies it agreed to pull back the army, but it sa

it's a friend of syria not an agent of syria. you know there have been periods of lebanon's political and cheering which has said all relationships syria turn was not good we had problems even extremists there were problems between early then and now those who used to benefit from the political. influence of syria in lebanon they are now the ones who are out. there not only posing us whereas we used to be under pressure from syria we are friends with of agency by syria the various segments of the syrian opposition know that and all the political forces in the region know there is no girlfriend. first and that's a first go and second period when i say we support a potential cause of national on the ten most certainly will be willing to take so any effort or any contribution and say yes to achieve that sort of it's a constitution in the past and i said to you. we contacted some parties but they refused to get into it with the regime to leave so any any group that wants i would probably dialogue with russia and would like us to bein

syria of violating international law. and the turkish prime minister saying he would be filing an official complaint with the syrian authorities now there are those who are saying that the these skirmishes are being initiated by rebels in order to draw government forces into chasing after them across the border and firing after them across the border into turkey however there are also those saying that these are people legitimately fleeing across the border away from from government troops now in response to what we've seen all not border between turkey and syria the turkish prime minister mr erdogan said that his country are considering all options including knows it may be best not to sink it out. if an international reaction to the united states is said to cause calls to appeal to nato turkey calls a nato member and one of the key principles of the nato alliance is that if one member is attacked then all of the members of nato should step in to defend them now that would really open up a whole new reality to the situat

flowing into syria. it's another one of the complications i mentioned, but we haven't seen any kind of backwash coming back the other way. >> okay. thank you very much. thank you, chairman. i yield back. >> thank you, mr. gibson. as we conclude, mr. secretary, thank you for being here, thank you for your service. general dempsey, thank you again for your service and compliment commitment to our troops, military families and veterans. we shall be adjourned. >>> c-span's congressional directly is a complete guide to the 112th congress. inside you'll find each member of the house and senate including contact information, district maps and committee assignments. also information on cabinet members, supreme court justices and the nation's governors. you could pick up a copy for $12.95 plus shipping and handling at c-span.org/shop. >>> tomorrow morning, here on c-span3, homeland security secretary janet innapolitano testifies before the senate judiciary committee. an oversight hearing on the department's opera

syria is not libya syria is not. syria is not yemen so that is a very strong country with a very strong army with the people that you have never seen anywhere in the way of the syrian people is a miracle by itself it's been with the standing almost fourteen months have sanctions of of caylee has been only killing of innocent. syrians and members of the syrian army and law enforcement forces today and yesterday was last article thirty five adversaries and soldiers and almost twenty civilians killed by those terrorist gangs or leveled the country. it was an international world that has been waged against syria for the last fourteen months but the syrian people they still have the same. lucian they still have the same results the same integrity the same military to their country to their land and we promise you somewhere is not going to be another libya if they ever take any foolish step to attack soon and militarily they're going to regret it for a very very very long time to come talk to new doubts about the now forme

in syria. in the name of a clear view since well and first and then the originally first in principle we don't want to interfere in the interference of arab states that's always been up on the scene where we have been developments in the arab world have been it's very serious and very importantly to next time that nobody really new movement no party can just not take its position regarding. and. in syria everybody knows that this. mess is regime obama from his supporters on the resistance in lebanon supported the resistance in palestine. to snobs back down in the face of his radiant american pressure so this is a regime which serves the palestinian cause very well. what we call for in serious negotiations dialogue is there a format for what was going to be carried out because they all say mr that the no one cause of the twenty first century somebody was inside syria because of the sensitivity of the situation in syria and also that it still has they lead to civil war and this is exactly what am

this free syrian army doesn't represent anybody in syria. there's evidence of not this monday evidence of atrocities i mean just the report which was published by the spiegel magazine the german magazine last week points to extrajudicial killings and atrocities committed what we what is all we've heard about the reports of these atrocities and as yours as your saying the there's been a covert operation by nato countries in syria for quite a number of months now then then if you're calling this whole of friends of syria group a big red herring then perhaps you'd also call it a red herring with kofi annan and six stage peace plan for syria you've said in one of your recent articles that this plan was quote slated to fail another red heading for a red herring do you think or. it was it was a stage i think it was a state of shock really shouldn't because you see the coffee and calls for a cease fire between the opposite sides because it does not acknowledge the fact that one of the sides is integrated by nato forces all forces from nato countrie

in syria. clear response first and then the originally first in principle returned want to interfere in the interference of arab states has always been not on the scene where we have been prevented the center of the world had been excited very serious and very importantly to an extent that nobody really knew move the new policy can just not take its position regarding peace and clearly i was. in syria everybody knows the facts of this sort of assets regime and i wonder if he has supported the resistance in lebanon supporting terrorism stands in palestine right now as to snopes backs down in the face of this radiant american pressure so it's a regime which serves for participating in course very well. what we call for in serious negotiations dialogue is the idea of reform actually the reform is going to be carried out because the alternative to that in a way because of the first season but also inside syria because the sensitivity of the situations in syria and also the just of course they lead

the border crossing to syria. and of the many of the free syrian army people here there are people here and they're operating there inside you know. let him go on back and forth as well as a civilian refugee can take he has the military army defectors and the man considered the head of the f.s.a. in the country the camp with a state closely guarded. thirty's make it extremely hard to access information here but we managed to speak to one member of the free syrian army about what they're wanting from the turkish government. and from. all of this. is not just the at the say that turkey supporting it recently played host to the friends of syria conference where many countries including gulf states qatar and saudi arabia agree to. contribute millions of funding the free syrian army it was a nice this some country soars undermining. to put an end to the violence in the country beastly and these latest incidents are just the latest in a long line of setbacks this has this to be realized syrian refugees here skeptical th

in fact if you look at these sixty so-called friends syria's government is calling them enemies of syria it's much closer to the truth they are divided among among many splits they are not all of them you know very brutal hardliners so for example germany is maybe not hundred percent on the side of washington here but they try you know not to make their grief showing too much and what we have in fact here is in any case trying to you know unite as much as possible with the one hundred times to splinter the syrian opposition as much as this group of sixty so you suggest that is the whole friends of syria group is more like the enemies of syria group but if i may president assad still has a lot of support back at home how much does this meeting today in istanbul and over the past few days really reflect the interests of the syrian people as a whole. as a whole one can say this is certainly not in the interest of the syrian people in my latest article are pointing out that the syrian armed up with this opposition those who right now in a phase before the next the first free election in a lo

observers to syria for a period of ninety days. thanks very much indeed for that update in new york. the former syrian ambassador to turkey says despite cools from your position for military intervention good massacres will not allow a repeat of libya. what we are seeing is that the security council has been moving more and more towards russia's point of view and towards syrian principle in adopting a more balanced resolution and that's why there is a consensus so observers on the ground are doing their job the syrian government is facilitating the work but what got aunty's peace on the ground is not the mere presence of three hundred u.n. soldiers and officers what guarantees a peaceful end to the crisis is a goodwill gesture by the so-called opposition and their regional and international backers the so-called national council is seeking a repetition of the libyan scenario the catastrophic libyan scenario it was an international word that has been waged against syria for the last fourteen months but syria is not going to be anoth

in syria. no they're not clear reasons first and then the people originally first in principle we don't want to interfere in the interference of arab states that's always been up on the scene where a lot of them have been developments in the arab world have been excited very serious and very importantly to an extent that nobody really knew movement no party can just not take a position regarding them and. in syria everybody knows that there's a bus service that's regime i wonder if he has supported on the resistance in lebanon supported the resistance in palestine right now to snopes backs down in the face of history be an american pressure. because he says regime which serves the greatest immune cause very well. what we call from serious negotiations dialogue is the idea of reform actually reform is going to be carried out because the alternative to that no one cause of the plane first in terms of but also inside syria because the sensitivity of the situation in syria also that it still has to

, inside syria itself. we can speak to an activist from homs. thank you for talking to us. given the situation we are in at the moment, tell us, first of all, what is happening? >> this is the center of homs, and since this morning i spoke to your radio around 9:30 a.m., and i said before you called me and around 15 minutes, the shelling started -- and we received a lot of videos from the killed persons today. about 14 persons were killed and we documented them by name. today our organization -- this is our main work, to document all the killed persons, their location. and we always requested videos for those, and we are following the measurements for the human rights organizations. what we want to say -- >> just before we get to what you want to say. we are getting there for a clear suggestion there is still fighting, from government forces. but of course, for this cease- fire to work, and has to be reciprocal and we have reports of six soldiers also being killed by rebels in the attack. >> we cannot trust

see aleppo syria. a new war of words is flared up between the e.u. a new crane over the case of yulia timoshenko the former ukrainian prime minister is serving a prison term for abusing power brussels claims the case was politically motivated to machine because currently on hunger strike here's the latest from our correspondent. what seems to be purely domestic case has received very serious international reactions with presidents of germany the czech republic the head of the euro commission as well as german chancellor angela merkel all saying they will boy called their planned trips to ukraine in particular for the euro twenty twelve football period as easily as if to protest against the treatment. former prime minister now even called on the german national football team to boy call it their participation in this tournament the idea which was even supported by the president of the champions league final this club bar in munich now also reactions came from mosco with president medvedev raising his ey

you and observer mission in syria to expand. their army arm of the third verse to a total of three hundred unarmed observers to go to syria and continue monitoring the cease fire that was implemented on i april twelfth and change in hospice and the opposition group this is of course one of the many proposals that were laid out by mr kofi annan on joint envoy for for the syria for the syria conflict so he laid out a six point peace plan cause and so this observer mission is one of many things he has cost a war to bring about peace in syria another element of this drop resolution we're told is that it calls upon syria to commit to its responsibilities and its pledges meaning the syrian government's recording all its obligations according to the kofi annan at six point peace plan so it seems as though we're going to see another consensus across the board in the security council concerning syria this will be the second saturday in a row where another resolution would be adopted the vote is expected to be held on saturday and it is e

because new york more in syria let's. go to the university of jordan he's joining us on the line very good evening thanks to be with the with the u.n. still body agreeing on this resolution on syria now giving the green light to the observers mission do you think it's a major step toward resolving this long lasting conflict well i think there's a window of opportunity but there are also many dangers lurking in the dark with truth of the matter is that it all hinges on the armed gangs and whether they actually decide to abide by the cease fire lay down their weapons hand them over to the government of syria and start its serious dialogue with the syrian regime and so they do so but just thought it was because i do think that's not happening. no i do not think so i think they have toned down their attacks but they have not seized their backs on until today i've been hearing and seeing reports of attacks against syrian officials or syrian army officers or just regular troops security troops or army troops on the ground throu