brian. >> richard engel on the syria/turkey border. richard, thanks. >>> now to presidential politics. president obama campaigned in colorado today, a state where a new poll shows him trailing mitt romney, but he's trying to make up some ground by hitting at what has been a romney weak spot, and that support among women. a report from nbc's andrea mitchell. >> reporter: at a denver rally today, the president was surrounded by his most reliable support group, women voters and taking direct aim at mitt romney. >> they want to take us back to the policies more suited to the 1950s than the 21st century. >> reporter: playing a starring role for the first time on the campaign, the former law student who became a lightning rod after rush limbaugh denounced her for supporting contraception rights. >> miss fluke and the rest of your feminine nazis, here is the deal. >> for me it's been intensely personal. >> reporter: women, especially single women, supported the president overwhelmingly in 2008. an nbc "wall street journal" poll, they favor hi

do syrian case very ironic case for turkey because turkey is for the first time demanding a regime change in syria which is a unique case in turkish history since the its creation in one nine hundred twenty three turkey for the first time demands a regime change in a neighboring country but this strategy you know is producing some counterproductive outcomes that is the autonomy of kurdish groups circle turkey i mean it is not clear what to do with these two code kurdish groups nor to syria i'm not saying all the kurdish groups in norton syria are against turkey as far as i know there are more than twenty five independent kurdish groups well some of them are seriously and by turkish mainly the p y d. is you know branch ignore to iraq war in iraq so it's not in syria so of course they resent to the favor of a situation in syria i don't equally creates a huge field of manoa for g.t.t. lead kurdish organizations and there is an expectation in told to many kurdish groups are moving from north in europe to north in syria. turkey's involvement in the syrian conflict may be more than just rhetoric preside

security council is wrapping up its meeting over the situation in syria with turkey pushing for the creation of a humanitarian buffer zone in the country britain and france say they are not ruling out any options in syria including a military enforced no fly zone our new york correspondent joins us live with the details thanks for being with us first of all has the international community come any closer to reaching a consensus on how to handle the ongoing crisis. well the security council remains very much divided over how to deal with the syrian crisis the high level meeting that was taking place is taking place in new york focused on the humanitarian circumstances in syria right now and how they continue to exacerbate according to u.n. officials at least two hundred twenty nine thousand syrians have fled the country in the past eighteen months spilling over to neighboring countries such as lebanon jordan in turkey and iraq this is of course the circumstances very difficult for the neighboring countries turkey as you mentioned has asked the security council to consider setting up refugee c

security council has tried to break the syria turkey pushing a. meeting of. the u.s. taking place in tehran outraged by egypt's new president. of regime. germany beast for investment. business beijing is on the road to recovery. certainly glad to have you with us let's get right to our top story britain and france say they are not ruling out any options in syria including a military enforced no fly zone the deadlocked u.n. security council has again held a meeting on the crisis with turkey also pushing for the creation of a buffer zone our new york correspondent. security council remains very much divided over how to deal with the syrian crisis the high level meeting that was taking place in new york focused on the humanitarian circumstances in syria right now and how they continue to exacerbate according to u.n. officials at least two hundred twenty nine thousand syrians have fled the country in the past eighteen months spilling over to neighboring countries such as lebanon jordan in turkey and iraq this is of course made the circumstances very difficult for the neig

all kind of blind eye to the border matters funneling into syria with all of the risk that they of course the right price. absolutely not turkey says it can defensively strike at the kurdish separatists is it therefore giving itself a green light to attack syria given the kurdish enclave that's building over the border. there is not a possibility and certainly what the effect. of syria has been to create. kurdish areas and was something which the turkish government and all the mainstream parties were very worried about in iraq in two or three and then the opposition anywhere into the situation in syria the problem is. you can you. also work to intervene in syria how far would they be able to go how could they control. the stabilize and who are already very very promising we're already here to turkey has been accused of becoming an eye for the syrian rebels of late but the flip side of that how can it be sure that those same weapons aren't falling into kurdish and sunni to be used against it again well this is that is quite true there's also another issue. mind is the risk really just. ongoing insurgency against. but also there

>> richard engel along the syria/turkey border for us tonight. richard, thanks. >>> off the coast of mexico tonight ernesto has strengthened into a hurricane as it now bears down on the yucatan peninsula, which is home of course to a lot of tourist destinations. but forecasts say it will stay well south of the resort area in and around cancun. honduras, belize have been hit by heavy rains today but no major damage reported. and this one is set to stay well south of the continental u.s. in the coming days. >>> now to the campaign trail where the dialogue has become a bit less than presidential in the past few days. the story from our nbc news political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. >> reporter: it's been a bare knuckle campaign, and now the candidates themselves are getting into the act. president obama last night in connecticut. >> it's like robin hood in reverse. it's romney hood. >> mitt romney today with some name calling of his own. >> we've been watching the president say a lot of things about me and about my polic

council tries again to break the syria turkey pushing for a buffer zone. while syria's delegates walk out of a meeting of states not aligned to the u.s. taking place in tehran outraged by egypt's new president damascus an oppressive regime. the engine room of germany heads east for investment chancellor merkel is in china to drum up business and convince beijing that the euro is on the road to recovery. online on screen international news and comment live from the new center here in moscow britain and france say they're not ruling out any options in syria including a military force no fly zone the deadlocked u.n. security council is to discuss the crisis with turkey also pushing for the creation of a buffer zone new york. reports. nine foreign ministers of the security council seats will be in attendance as will representatives of turkey jordan and lebanon those representatives will be discussing the counter effects and the consequences of the syrian crisis and how it spilled over into their borders turkey is expected to raise the issue of buffer zones with

security council tries again to break the syria turkey was also a ministerial meeting it's pushing for. with the world. thank you very much rory welcome along with to the sports headlines here is what we've got coming up. waiting game spots are in moscow and senate's in pages find out their group apartments in the champions league later on thursday after the moscow side been fined about j. and qualifying. game set match kim clijsters calls time on her career after the four time grand slam winner loses to persons laura robson in the second round of the u.s. open. underway the paralympics officially kick off with twelve days of competition ahead in advance is by viruses wheelchair fencing and blind football. but for stay in just three hours times an eight and spartak moscow will find out their opponents for the champions league group stages the muscovites joining the st petersburg side in the first round following a three two aggregate when i've offended about jake leading two one from the first leg in moscow spotlight new anything but defeat in turkey would secure them that lucrative sp

security council is set to discuss syria with france presiding over the top body hoping for a resolution to help to tackle the growing humanitarian crisis there turkey was also invited to the ministerial meeting it's pushing for the creation of a buffer or a no fly zone over syria that's something russia and china strongly object to syria's president has meantime lashed out at ankara saying it bears direct responsibility for the bloodshed in his country and my shot our side says his forces need more time to overcome rebels with heavy fighting ongoing recent reports suggest opposition fighters have downed a government fighter jet and italy province a lebanese nun who spent over a decade in syria and came to the aid of the suffering when the conflict erupted says armed gangs started causing chaos there a very long time ago. i would of thought it is it only shows it's not political it's not even civilian in the january i asked to do a position where to get it were all a bit lamented. and so i could have. and i witnessed and it is a beginning we did not even know who were just people and we said said those people there were only identified the gangs you

interesting because it's in this region obviously has to do with the refugees spilling over from syria into turkey and in the region in which they going which is a had a region where it's going the route is one of the main port cities there actually historically this was stolen from syria in one hundred thirty nine by the turks in a in a dirty game with the french against syria just a historical context of that but this spillover into turkey has create all kinds of problems for tokyo and it really if we see the way turkey has employed its diplomacy and foreign policy in the region in the last year year and a half two years we can see that nothing has come to the benefit of turkey or to turkey was developing good relations trade economic etc with iran with iraq with syria with libya and will now in hindsight we can see what kind of dirty game we don't know to what extent what how deep the conspiracy has been only a few years ago missed out of the ground was literally hugging president assad and mama gadhafi of libya and now we know what the hug was all about without the chit to check out into the o

turkey's proposal for a safe zone is nothing but a cover for intervention. it's in this region obviously has to do with the refugees spilling over from syria into turkey and in the region in which they going which is a had a region where it's going to room is one of the main port cities there actually historically this was stolen from syria in one hundred thirty nine by the turks in a in a dirty game with the french against syria just a bit of historical context of that but this spillover into turkey has create all kinds of problems for tokyo and it really if we see the way turkey has employed is diplomacy and foreign policy in the region in the last a year year and a half two years we can see that nothing has come to the benefit of turkey it's very disconcerting white so he is taking this call this course because there's no benefits twitt whatsoever and the only benefit of turkey's action that we can see is for is for nato and its and its and its western allies so the question really has that we are asked is really where is the dignity and self-respect of the turkish state currently another point just coming back to turkey has to be made in turkey and the f

syria. what is turkey's position on that? >> turkey says it is preparing the kind of measures to create the safe haven within syria, but the turkish government insists it has not made the decision yet. military preparations are under way. they say they want to be ready for that kind of any emergency, but they say they have not decided yet whether to do it or not, and many people feel like this could widen the conflict even more and could drag in other neighbors as well. >> thanks very much for joining us on that. continuing our coverage of syria, it has become a flashpoint in the middle east. major regional powers are already involved. now there are growing signs that al qaeda has dispatched fighters to join the fight to overthrow president bashar al assad, and they are getting increasingly bold, even targeting prominent figures in the syrian regime. >> he was one of the best known faces on syrian state television. he was abducted in mid-july. terrorist organization al qaeda announced on its website that he had been executed

and forces within a level now turkey's increasingly alarmed by kurdish activity in northern syria having suffered attacks by kurds seeking autonomy in the border region surely turkey has a right to defend itself if it feels threatened. but of course turkey has its own interests i mean there are two sides to us on the one very much concerned with a humanitarian tragedy in the flow of refugees from syria into turkey right now it's the biggest recipients of refugees from syria but more than the u.s. you are right number one concern for not only the civilian leadership but also the military intelligence security part. possible of rice insurgency and what we see in recent weeks is that there's a growing chorus you need. between syria and. kurds in syria and most kurds in the route and turkey's burden is going through a grueling course. because i've been of the. kurdish majority of regions in southeastern turkey so i think turkey is also trying to make sure that the kurds and not exploit the situation to launch their own kind of. independence hall and see if you can start so i think turkey is

syria. in turkey. is the policy of bombing residential neighborhoods inside syria working for the government's purposes? >> shepard, right now i think from all sides, you would have to say it is working. efficient. if you look at asaz today before the strike it was a town of 35,000 people. up to 80% of those people have fled. many of them really leaving the scene in terror. also the syrian government did the attack with air power so they suffered no tragedies. they have effectively depopulated a town that once belonged to the rebels, shepard. >> shepard: the analysts are saying this is really part of a bigger and regional battle of sorts between sunni and shiite muslims. >> that's certainly the fear. and we can see the violence in syria already spreading across the border into lebanon. there has been a waive of kidnappings in both countries. shiites, kidnapping sunnies, sunnies kidnapping shites. in groups of 10, 20, even 40 at that time. it's gotten so bad that in beirut now so many people have been l

williams met some of reberebels today. >> reporter: on turkey's border with syria, the wounded come looking for treatment. shujah al-ahmed was a soldier in the syrian army but he said he couldn't stand by as children were killed. he told us he was hit by an exploding mortar as he attempted to switch sides and join the rebels. he wants to go back and fight as soon as his wounds have healed. so far, the opposition has been outgunned and outmanned, but in the battle for aleppo, the rebels still claimed they're winning. this video was given to us by the man wearing the yellow t-shirt. his name is mahmoud, a bulldozer salesman from atlanta, georgia. born in syria, he decided to join the rebel cause. we met him on the turkish side of the border. he said he's been in and out of syria since april when he returned as a fighter. >> reporter: this refugee camp in turkey is for syrian soldiers who have fected. it's off limits to journalists but the turkish government told us 100s of officers have come across the border, including 28 generals. many former syrian soldiers who have defected are no

syria. the u.s. foreign policy to turkey for crisis talks on syria and. clinton's visit comes as an caught us steps up threats to weigh in with force if it feels threatened from across the border both countries are supporting the syrian rebels and showing inconsistency beyond two weeks so according to political analysts a lot. it seems to. be going to turkey just to take note what is the situation after the rebel forces of the free syrian army has been defeated they pull it well will be there but they could steps are going to be taken to double check with the turks who are playing a very important role in supporting the free syrian army. unit out through the they are based on principles of justice so fake we t. they usually criticize those countries go to the rogue states and spot source of terrorism but we have seen the free syrian army conducting it there are paid with car bombs partly also with suicide bomb burst political assassinations and that's against the quote three this is in this case a syria that piece of the united states and the other countr

attempt to create a safe zone or a north fly zone will be responded to by war and any war between syria and turkey or syria and any needs a nation will turn into a large regional war syria is a part of a huge alliance and for instance the iranians just last week made it clear that if any foreign power tries to interfere in syria they would not just watch their strongest ally fall and now we seems clinton offering money to support a few g.'s but actually under the table they are supporting other groups and these signals let's try to understand what they are in the past few days we've seen them slowing post office workers from. the rule of seven workers are being attacked and seen rebels kill people in the street slaughter them with knives and then mrs clinton comes and gives them money they lost in the massacres they lost they are losing in any poll as we speak and as usual when ever the they find themselves in a pickle like this they call for foreign intervention and if they claim that they have popular support as they have been saying for seventeen months why do they need foreign intervention. no

who is used to clear wounded persons from inside syria into turkey are a treat. and weaponry to inside syria that does go back to mr hague statement he said that's communication communication devices will be sent in order to warn civilians against impeding impending story government attacks know who's going to be warning them are there satellite images that are going to be passed to the ground will those communication devices be released into civilians or would they be sent to rebels and would they be used as they are intended who can guarantee that you can guarantee that body armor is going to be used not to assassinate political opponents in front of t.v. cameras just like what they did with the bernie foley you know we need a little bit more transparency with these international efforts to mediate peace in syria are being revived ever diplomats poised to become the new envoy to the conflicts are after coffee in our quit and frustration here's our paper all of our . it's not a job many people would have wanted you think considering the situation in syria but it'

turkey of course a very long border and what we're now seeing of course is re border between turkey and syria so to incorporation into syria rebels and also. part of the problem is you know you all have a blind eye to the border into syria with all the risk of course porous was marquardt. there's also another issue. the religious extremists in our religious fundamentalist groups who don't necessarily recognize any water between syria and turkey who don't necessarily want to create a kurdish state so she wished creative accounting and they probably have no great chance of doing that so they could cause of course the world trouble in other countries they could call for. we wish the minority are going to he said because we're on the border. a gun battle in lebanon's northern city of tripoli has left at least two and several others wounded the country's injured a number of clashes between supporters and opposes of the regime in neighboring syria the three moved into fighting on both sides of the start of the. other world views in brief tonight an insurgent attack on a u.s. base in afghanistan's d

attempt to create a safe zone or a north fly zone will be responded to by war and any war between syria and turkey or syria and any need to turn into a large regional war that will burn everything. the records of libya here. libya is different than when nato attacked libya after the security they did in the u.n. and the security council get death he was almost a lawn fighting them but in syria it's different syria is a part of a huge alliance and for instance the iranians just last week made. clear that if any a foreign power tries to interfere in syria they will not just watch their strongest ally fall and. everybody knows their war against syria means a regional war and it will be a devastating war for everybody it's not of course the first time that the syrian opposition is called for intervention or the no fly zone is a sign that anti government fighters are getting more desperate you think exactly every time they call for foreign intervention they are just reassuring everybody that they cannot do anything on the ground they lost in the massacres they lost in aleppo moving in any port as we sp

attempt to create a safe zone or a north fly zone will be responded to by war and any war between syria and turkey or syria and any metered nation will turn into a large regional war that will burn everything and it will be a devastating war for everybody we seems clinton offering money to support a few genes but actually under the table they are supporting other groups and these to groups in the past few days we've seen them throwing post office workers from the roof just because they refused to resign their posts that we see we've seen rebels kill people in the streets slaughter them with knives and then mrs clinton comes and gives them money this is appalling as long as they they control the muslim brotherhood they feel that they can control any or all other limits groups and their main goal as clinton said clearly is to overthrow assad and they are now talking about cost as said although i said this is still there and they have no means to throw to overthrow him they want him out and it doesn't matter how evil this is this working together they don't care they be we can live with just anybody

into turkey what we're now seeing course is the border between turkey and syria is open to incorporation into syria rebels and also. are supposed to be a woman as you all come a blind eye to the border america's foreign interests there was also a risk but very of course the horse will smile while. there's also another short. mind is the risk for religious extremists of our group of this fundamentalist groups who don't necessarily recognize any water between syria and turkey who don't necessarily want to create a kurdish state that actually. groups are coming unglued probably have no bird johnson. who calls who will probably never come who will probably. where or who wish to mine or are going to. because we're on the border. and some other international news in brief for you this hour is despair from this syrian conflict continues in lebanon at least seven people have been killed and social three wounded as gun battles raged overnight and its northern city of tripoli armed forces have been moved to the area in an effort to disperse the clashes the fighting between sunni muslims and otherw

into turkey what we're now seeing course is the border between turkey and syria is open to incorporation into syria rebels and also. supplies that were open as you all come a blind eye to the border man who was firing into syria was always the risk very of course the force was small where. there's also a number of which will be mined is the risk for religious extremists. who rudeness fundamentalist groups who don't necessary any water between syria and turkey who don't necessarily want to create a kurdish state though she wished to create an account and they've called we have no great chance of doing that so they could cause of course a lot of trouble in other countries they could cause trouble sometimes. the minority are going to. because we're on the border. and so more international news and briefing you this hour as the spillover from the syrian conflict continues in lebanon at least seven people have been killed thirty three wounded as a gun battles raged overnight in its northern city of tripoli armed forces have been moved to the area in an effort to disperse the clashes the fight

from the men who don't necessarily recognize any water between syria and turkey so we want to create a culture states actually wish to create a kind of color. called we have no great chance of doing so they could cause of course the one who trouble in other countries who cause trouble sometimes well there are reduced to minorities who get into he said because along the border. four people have died and over eleven thousand were left without electricity to heavy flooding in russia's southern cross nodar region it happened after a river busted spines due to extreme rainfall they want and huge systems in three villages around the city up top say were also damaged officials say an early warning system works effectively and that's people were successfully evacuated from their homes in time there much as the ministry has sent rescue teams and trucks with drinking water last month more than one hundred forty four people died as flash floods swept through a different possible to reach him. and some other international news in brief for you as the spillover from the syrian conflict continues

into turkey what we're now seeing of course is the border between turkey and syria is open to incorporation into syria rebels and also. supplies that were open as you all come a blind eye to the border man who was firing into syria was always the risk of course your horse will smile while. there's also another. mind is the risk of religious extremists and his rudeness from the men who don't necessarily recognize any water between syria and turkey who don't necessarily want to create a culture state she wish to create a kind of county and they've probably have no great chance to do so they could calls and have called the one who trouble in other countries who cause trouble sometimes well there are reduced to minorities who get into he said because along the border. and some other international news abbrev rise the spillover from the syrian conflict continues in lebanon at least seven people have been killed down thirty three wounded as gun battles raged overnight in its northern city of tripoli armed forces have been moved to the area in an effort to disperse the clashes the fighting between

into turkey what we're now seeing is border between turkey and syria who we want to see over. and also. who are surprised were. you. you all time a blind eye to boredom or respond with interest there was always the risk of course the force was my work. there's also another short. mind is the risk or religious schools of our group of this fundamentalist groups who don't necessarily recognize that people with syria and turkey who don't necessarily want to agree to a code are states that if you wish to create a caliphate. great chance to do so they could cause of course the one who trouble in other countries who call trouble so we're all cool there are reduced to minorities who get into. it because we're on the border of. some other international news and briefing of the signs that spillover from the syrian conflict continues in lebanon at least seven people have been killed and says if three wounded as gun battles raged overnight in its northern city of tripoli forces have been moved to the area in an effort to disperse the clashes the fighting between sunni muslims and ana why

is a major player in the civil war from the washington post france urges action in syria and turkey to open a new syria refugee camps for up to one hundred twenty thousand so it looks like the ultimate plan is to intervene militarily here a state department spokesperson victoria nuland as the secretary said to me we're in istanbul we have to first of all look at the hastening the day. the effectiveness what we're already doing the ground situation that we are seeing which is changing and evolving and what more could be done by our allies and partners to support the syrian opposition. but how does the public feel about another military conflict the polls say there isn't strong public support take a look at this poll sixty three percent of americans favor a multilateral economic sanctions fifty eight percent support u.s. and its allies and forcing no fly zones two thirds support the idea of enforcing safe havens inside syria by arab league by the arab league and turkey forty eight percent favor sending weapons and other supplies to rebels forty seven percent oppose overall a little suppo

syria. their presence will only add to the bloodshed as syrians fight for control of their future. holly williams, cbs news, on the turkey/syria border. >> schieffer: syria's neighbors are watching this unfold with great concern. charlie rose sat down with jordan's king abdullah who is worried about how far assad will go to crush this rebellion. >> reporter: he has said he'll not use chemical weapons against his own people but he is killing his own people anyway. they're massing in aleppo as we speak. would he use, in your judgment, chemical weapons? >> i hope to god that he wouldn't because i think that would be a trip wire for many nations in the international community. qaddafi's miscalculation was the use of his air force against his people. now we are seeing the use of helicopters. he's been fairly successful in using that. chemical weapons is something that scares everybody. what scares most of us is the chemical weapons falling into rebel hands. and who are those rebels? and obviously the use of chemical weapons against innocent people. >> schieffer: more of charlie's interview with king abdullah tomorrow on "this

turkish member of the parliament so that ambulances used to clear wounded persons from inside syria into turkey are actually taking weaponry to inside syria it does go back to mr hague statement he said that's communication weapons communication devices will be sent in order to warn civilians against impeding impending tory government attacks who's going to be warning them are there satellite images that are going to be passed to the ground all those communication devices be released into civilian all will be sent to rebels and will be used as they are intended who can guarantee that you can guarantee that body armor is going to be used not to assassinate political opponents in front of t.v. cameras just like what they did with the bernie foley you know we need a little bit more transparency with this. coming up here when i'll see the fallout from the revolution egypt's new remake truce of escalating threats from the country's new leadership as kyra's relations with someone. keeping the internet safe and free but is it really possible to achieve but we investigate just a few. washington says it