but i am a syrian, deeply rooted syrian. and i know that this war is very destructive on my country. and i know that the western people should learn that they cannot go on in this way destroying our countries and destroying our people because they are misled or because they have illusions about what's happening in syria. i think even the american government acknowledges that it should not have withdrew its ambassadors. all european countries acknowledge that they should not have withdrew their ambassadors from syria. at least they should have left an ambassador to know what is truly happening in syria. >> thank you, dr. shaaban. >> thank you. >> we have one and after you. okay, after you. and after we come to you and after we come -- >> from "voice of america," persian news network. my first question is dr. shaaban. you mentioned that it's dangerous to let the food aid to drop into area which people are starving. i mean, are you afraid that the boxes might kill starving people? and why is the government avoiding letting the

--iss syrian american areas i am a syrian american. anyonet endangering anyway, but i am from a family that joined the revolution in the beginning as a syrian you. i say went to ask -- when you you have no legal implications a lebaneseear, takingent member was bonds to bomb christian areas in lebanon. to you andvisor bishara al-assad and he was in your office all the time. and you verify your relationship with this guy who has an in prison -- [all talking at once] rumorsaban: to circulate that tell your prejudices. i said that at the beginning of to zero was a out major tool in initiating this war against syria. expect any do not contribution from you. thank you. i need everyone to ask one question. we have so many people to ask. we only have one half-hour left. this gives everybody a chance to ask. go ahead. bernstein, with sputnik international news. i've a question about the peace process and under the u.n. security council resolution -- i just forgot the number. the roadmap, the timeline set august as a deadline for a new constitut

i'm western oriented, but i'm a syrian. deeply rooted syrian. and i know that this world is very destructive my country. but i know they western people should learn that they cannot go on in this way destroying our countries and our people. heruse they are misled because they have a lay-ins about what is happening in syria. even the american government acknowledges. at least they should have an ambassador to know truly when tapping in syria. -- what is happening in syria. >> my first question dr. schaub haaban, you mention it was dangerous to drop food aid in two areas in which the people are starving. at your freight boxes might kill starving people? why is the government of avoiding letting the u.n. convoy and the food aid get to the people? mr.econd question is to but now last week they for peopleher -- that are going to free soluja to serve the people and not make atrocities. if there is such a conservative leadership of the shia theership, how can even if city is freed, how can sunnis and shia live together these -- anin please? eace? it's

seven are syrian. the integrated workforce is intentional. >> i'm very proud of how we're trying to work together as a community. the team thatted with me brought their families here. some of them married jordanians, we have to survive. >> reporter: today, ghashim lives in amman with an office overlooking an upscale shopping mall, building a future for himself, while aleppo is ravaged by war. >> i feel i'm jumping between these two lives, two movies tha >> terkically i don't. >> sreenivasan: not every syrian refugee has the skills, the capital or the connections to support themselves. jord's government cob tends refugees are depleting a quarter of its annual budgets. in mafra, the population has doubled to 200,000 the hai al dubat school for girls has shortened class times and lengthened school days to accommodate syrian children. jordanian kids come in the morning, and syrians in the afternoon. alia aku shaydah is the principal. >> sometimes the jordanians feel that the syrians are coming in and takin

but i am a syrian, deeply rooted syrian.nd i know that this war is very destructive on my country. and i know that the western people should learn that they cannot go on in this way destroying our countries and destroying our people because they are misled or because they have illusions about what's happening in syria. i think even the american government acknowledges that it should not have withdrew its ambassadors. all european countries acknowledge that they should not have withdrew their ambassadors from syria. at least they should have left an ambassador to know what is truly happening in syria. >> thank you, dr. shaaban. >> thank you. >> we have one and after you. ok, after you. and after we come to you and after we come -- >> from "voice of america," persian news network. my first question is dr. shaaban. you mentioned that it's dangerous to let the food aid to drop into area which people are starving. i mean, are you afraid that the boxes might kill starving people? and why is the government avoiding letting the u.n.

i think five years ago we had a fairly good sense that if the syrian war continued, that syrian refugees would end up in europe. the proximity for one. but also there's a lot of family relationships between syria and those who have settled in the east. we knew back in 2011 that syria could produce a very large number of refugees for europe. but the question of whether the european union was -- turkey has been the big factor here as well. and russia since last year. so i think that there are certainly deeper tectonic forces at play. but even still, i think that with, as you say, political will, which is a term that i find a little distressing. because i don't know where you find it, the political will. >> you forge it. >> you constantly invoke the notion that we need political leadership. from where? if the leadership doesn't come from people in this room for instance, it's not going to come from politicians who are exposed to public opinion. the political will is going to have to come from everyone but politicians. and it has. that's been the extraordinary thing. it hasn't been enabled a

the syrian government, the syrian arab army, the syrian people are engaged in full battle, and we have paid with hundreds of thousands of martyrs against terrorism. there are so many unfounded views that are expressed in the media. i don't think you have to believe all of them. thank you. >> right now to the next. this is the first time she ask. >> dr. bouthaina shaaban, we're with al jazeera here to listen to you and broadcast your views. so, we did not boycott the syrian government. my question is, you just said that all terrorists, and i'm quoting you, all terrorists, all

if the syrian people -- again, the government not to stay for ,ix years, i would remind you the syrian government put guns on the syrian-turkish border weeks before any civilians crossed the border. i don't for a moment regret being part of the syrian government because we are standing for people. we are standing against terrorism and standing for the future of syria. i would beg millions of dollars to save the syrian government. because we believe in our country, because we hate treason and because we hate to be subject to any power in the world. thank you. >> hello. from "the washington post." there has been discussion of a from it on truce. does the government have any interest in that? could that stop the fighting, at least temporarily? certainly from the outside there have a lot of accusations against the government for its use of barrel bombs, in n indiscriminate has killed a lot of civilians. does the government think it might be a good idea to start that use of that particular weapon? ahmad: thank you. dr. shaaban: you know, honestly, i do not want to give up, but you are forci

i have a syrian american. i had to flee for my life in syria in late 2011 not because isis, not because i'm endangering anybody in any way, but because i'm from an opposition family who had joined the revolution in the beginning but the syrian youth. i just wanted to ask bouthaina shaaban, which you said you have no legal implications against you here. mr. michel maha was always in her office in the presidential palace, who later ron, the lebanese parliament member was taped while he was taking bombs to bomb christian areas in lebanon. he is an advisor to you and to bashar al-assad. can you please define your relationship with this guy who's been in prison. [inaudible conversations] -- calculate humans as their purposes. i said at the beginning of may speech that al jazeera was absolutely a major tool in initiating this war against area. therefore, i do not accept any contribution better than this from you. thank you. >> i need everybody to ask only one question. there are too many people who want to ask. we h

and here you have a multifaith group of doctors greeting syrians, and syrians are not taught good thingsabout israelis. >> well, they think that we are their enemies, and we're not. we are their neighbors. and, hopefully, the work that iris was fortunate to do will help them understand that we are not their enemies and we can live together in the future. >> and certainly you're proving that. >> i have to say that we are an apolitical ngo, and it's important for us because, as andy mentioned, we are working in 19 countries around the world in israaid. and for us, working together, jews and arabs, was a very -- first of all, it's very normal for us because we are used to doing it in israel, but also being there on the beaches created such a great connection with these people. and i have to say that some of them were surprised at the beginning. we are working with the flag of israel on our shirt. they were surprised, but they were so happy and thankful, and we received such warm reactions and hugs, and we are still in touch with many of them till today, with families that we helped. so, for

you don't want to get involved in any problem. >> syrian food? >> this is syrian.nsists of many kinds of vegetables. seven kinds of fruit. palestinians in syria, most of them are well educated. doctors, engineers, lawyers, teachers. >> here now it's the opposite. right? >> here in lebanon even if you were a doctor or a lawyer or a teacher, you can work only in the camp. we don't know how to go, where to go, to go back to syria. >> no can do? >> to cross the sea. >> can't. >> suppose the lebanese authority collect us and throw us away to syria. what is going to happen? we have no area in the world. we have no place in this universe. we belong to nowhere. nowhere. >> welcome to lebanon. >>> once known as the paris of the middle east, beirut still clings to its glamorous 1960s yulths image, a chic tourist destination where you can famously ski and go to the beach all in the same day. walking the corniche it's easy to forget for the moment anyway what's going on not far from here. ♪ >> all the people who live here feel safe. they expand outside of their houses and this

isis has already infiltrated the syrian population that came to europe. isis already came out and said we put 4,000 operatives already in the refugee population. we know that the refugees that are going to be imported to america will be imported out of u.n. camps so we don't know exactly who is going to come to america. the only difference is we don't know if their names are real or not, whether their passports are real or not, whether they have fake identities and whether they're isis operatives and there is no way we can vet them. plus, we can put them in neighboring countries who can take care of them. who said in our constitution we're supposed to take terrorists or syrians who are infiltrated by terrorists and bring them to america? >> let me ask you this, isn't it part of isis strategy to teach and indoctrinate those who are trained, to get past the vetting process? >> yes, it is part of their training. isis is so sophisticated in their training, but the way they train their operatives to lie, deceive, blend, already, they are in germany. >> and the

a significant portion are syrian focused. a wider wrapping to aq-aligned elements that might harbor ambition to use syria as a springboard for international terrorist attack planning. probably vary region to region. there is potentially a small element of british foreign fighters, the specifics remain unclear. the strategy is to deny the political and the operational space and including the communication platforms. not to regard it as a tool that can be used and manipulated in syria but to recognize it as a wider and enduring common threat. although if we were to determine there was a very specific direct and imminent threat to uk security we would legally be able to do so. >> we did get quite strong it testimony. it could be the worst threat. tim marshall said it is much deeper than daesh and inside the opposition movement, it is a longer term threat. so is the danger fee face that whilst isis has been unusual in seizing and holding territory and thus making it more visible, once the campaign succeeds in taking that territor

if the syrians use weapons of mass destruction, he does nothing when they do. he creates a vacuum by pulling out of iraq early. so isis can fill that vacuum. he's released terrorists back into the battlefield by releasing one gitmo terrorist after another. he gives $150 billion to the iranians, we know what they're going to do with that money. they're the number one state sponsor of terror. he gives muhammad morsi at the time after the arab spring who's the egyptian president, he gives him -- he gives him f-16s, tanks, and, you know, a billion taxpayer dollars. how can you be so wrong so often as this president is? >> i think, sean, the prosecution rests. i think you've made the case. whenever it's an option between supporting our friends who could really make america safer, such as president sisi or king abdullah of jordan, or the kurds in iraq, he'll always choose the other side. he'll give the people who every friday in the mosque preach death to america, $150 billion. he'll have this reset button thanks to hillary clinton with russia that afterwards proceed

and are you saying it's in our interest to make sure that those syrians, even in the syrian army and other syrians are not necessarily killed by throwing out assad. >> yes. so. >> rose: so that they are left there to build their state. >> so what we want is we want assad to go, right? we want a transition from assad to a new government. but we want assad to go in a way that leaves the institutions of power, namely the military, security services, intelligence services in tact, right. in iraq, it was the u.s. government that made the decision to destroy those organizations with debath if i kaition n libya it happened under their own weight it was so institutionalized, so personalized with qaddafi that when qaddafi and his senior guys went away, the military just disappeared and went away, right? i'm concerned that if assad just goes away without a transition to something else and we know what that is, the same thing may happen to the syrian military. and certainly u.s. air strikes against the syrian military would-- could potentially weaken them to the point where you have instability

and continue to confirm, very odd that a battle in the syrian regime. if it wasn't a substantial opposition number of opposition fighters, on the definition -- >> the question is whether they are moderate or whether they are islamists, the prime minister himself admitted a number of people he had been talking about our hard-line islamicists and several witnesses made it clear the overwhelming majority of opposition forces are islamists, in response to this. >> not residing anymore, and loose talk of battalions. there are -- >> 70,000, third-quarter moderates are in large part islamicists, and focus battalions toward moderates. there are 70,000 moderates and the prime minister seems to admit -- are overwhelmingly islamists. >> are they prepared? the test, since their chances in october, they had to consider who is right, the right people to engage in talks. the test of all these groups is are they prepared to live within a plural political settlement that could in the end be democratic and take syria towards elections that is applied and should be applie

you were saying, it is in our interest to make sure those syrians, even in the syrian army and otherns, are not necessarily killed by throwing out assad. mike: yes, so -- charlie: they are left to build their state. mike: what we want, is we want a transition from assad to a new government, but we want assad to go in a way that leaves institutions of power, namely, the military, security services, intelligence services, in tact. in iraq, it was the u.s. government that made the decision to destroy those. in libya, it happened under its own weight. it was so institutionalized, so personalized with qaddafi, that when he and his senior guys went away, the military went away. i am concerned that if assad just goes away with no transition, the same thing happens to the syrian military. u.s. airstrikes could potentially weaken them to the point where you have instability once assad goes. charlie: and the question is, are the turks, the saudis, other people in the arab world, the sunnis, prepared to accept, we got to let him stick around for a while until we get rid of isis? james: i don't

isis has already infiltrated the syrian population that came to europe.sis already came out and said we put 4,000 operatives already in the refugee population. we know that the refugees that are going to be imported to america will be imported out of u.n. camps so we don't know exactly who is going to come to america. the only difference is we don't know if their names are real or not, whether their passports are real or not, whether they have fake identities and whether they're isis operatives and there is no way we can vet them. plus, we can put them in neighboring countries who can take care of them. who said in our constitution we're supposed to take terrorists or syrians who are infiltrated by terrorists and bring them to america? >> let me ask you this, isn't it part of isis strategy to teach and indoctrinate those who are trained, to get past the vetting process? >> yes, it is part of their training. isis is so sophisticated in their training, but the way they train their operatives to lie, deceive, blend, already, they are in germany. >> and they'

hillary clinton wants even more syrian refugees. she wants 65,000 refugees.speak on this recently. >> right. >> back in november. if we have a clip let's take a listen. >> sure. >> slamming the door on every syrian refugee, that is just not who we are. we should be doing more to ease this humanitarian crisis not less. america's open free tolerant society is skribd by some as a vulnerability in the struggle against terrorism. but i actually believe it's one of our strengths. >> colonel, to be an open and free society, don't you also need to be a safe society? >> she is insane. this is the deal. the u.s. government's job is to protect citizens like you and me. the refugee crisis as tragic as it is it's not our making we didn't do it. what we need to do is find a solution that engages allies like the saudi arabiian and others who have a lot of territory that they can move them to. saudis have a lot of country, they speak the language they are all muslims. same culture. it's odd to me that mrs. clinton would be professing the idea of bringing in an alien culture

of the 4328 syrians now here, 4289 of them are muslims. this despite the chilling warning we got from the cia director that isis is doing everything it can to fight its fighters here, even posing as migrants. watch. >> exploring a variety of means, infiltrating operatives into the west including refugee photos, legitimate methods of travel. trish: preventing syrians from coming here is against who we are as americans, we need to welcome them in greater numbers. joining the national security and foreign analyst, good to see you. we are at war with isis and isis has promised to see the refugee population with terrorists. what are you convinced bringing syrians here is good policy? >> you can't have an argument by connecting two premises that are completely irrelevant. let me tell you what i mean by that. isis is trying to infiltrate the refugee population and do that to carry out attacks. that might make sense in europe because most refugees go through land. refugees that come to the us, there is a waiting period of two years. secondly they

>> well we should know and since the orlando massacre, 441 more syrians were imported into the country. the second largest destination was florida. you think this is something worth while that it is part of the american creed if you will. >> immigration is in fact charles but the government's role is to keep us safe. and you know there have been a million refugees and immigrants from muslim majority countries just under the president's watch. i don't know if that is keeping us safe. but i co-think it is a bit of a red herring. as long as these militant slaumist ideas remain undiscredited whether it is nightclubs or holiday parties or refuges or immigrants or home grown terrorists, we remain at war and militant islam remains a threat. until the ideas are gone, we are going to be at war and we are going to be unsafe. >> the bottom line is ever since muhamed died without a concession plan there's only been turmoil. it only gets worse and doesn't get better. >> and torn about the midwest and cost us so much. i agree with jonathan. >> middle east. >> i was born in the mid west. >> yeah we u

we visit a border town in turkey where a hundred thousand syrians have sought refuge. but they are not safe from the war here either. and we meet some app designers whose idideas are encouraging others to give money for those in need. according to the u.n., worldwide human suffering is greater today than at any other point since the end of the second world war. the causes are war, terrorism, natural disasters. a world humanitarian summit has been convened to look for solutions. what are the demands on emergency relief today? in war-torn iraq over a quarter of the population is dependent on humanitarian aid. in somalia that figure is as high as 40%. it's a country in a permanent state of civil war. there's civil war in south sudan, too. there, two-thirds of the population are in desperate need of help. the war in yemen has caused terrible suffering. nearly 80% of people there are reliant on foreign aid. it's similar in syria. years of war there have displaced millions of people, many of whom have fled to turkey, often to the border towns. two rockets in a row have hit t

isis has already infiltrated the syrian refugee population that came to europe.already came out and said we put 4,000 praifsoperatives i refugee operation. we know that refugees that will be imported will be imported out of the refugee camps. the difference is we don't fn their names are real or not, whether their passports are real or not, and there is no way we can vet them. plus, we can put them in a neighboring country that can take care of them. why should we take syrian refugees? who says we should take terrorists and bring them to america? >> let me ask you this. isn't it part of isis' strategy to teach and indoctrinate those to get past any vetting process? isn't that part of their training, their military training, their terrorist training? >> yes, it is part of their training. and isis has become so sophisticated in their training that they surpass us in the way they train their operatives to lie, to deceive, to blend. we have already seen the writing on the wall in germany. >> then they're giving talking points. all right. i appreciate it. i won't gamb

we've seen over 200,000 syrians killed over 7.6 million syrians who have been displaced. i mean this is a tragedy. and the fact is, that when you have russian charges, when you have syrian charge in iran, it is about the u.s. not only just leading from behind. but the fact that the strategy is clearly not working and the state department is making note of it. >> a.b., just to be clear, what the state department is calling for is not more air strikes against isis, they're calling for more air strikes on the regime of the syrian president. >> president obama is well aware that this dissent has been growing at the state department. when the secretary of state left she said she would have supported earlier arming of the rebels and possibly a no fly zone. she was calling for something stronger. he obviously relented on the red line in 2013. even kerry pointed to a report in 2013 basically arguing that if he if he relented on that, it would be an encouragement to assad to use chemical weapons one more time, if not more. so this dissent is not new. ed a general keen points out,

you want to combine targeted strikes on syrian military forces. want to send more amerco special forces to assist local arabs. we have been unwilling to provide them with air defense weapons. so if the russians or anyone else was to go over that air, like in afghanistan, they will have to take extraordinary risk. only if we do that do have a in improving negotiations. but if it turns at that syria and russia do not want to negotiate, we will improve the situation on the ground. the united states has to be prepared to help others with more, to do more itself. it are you get a better negotiating outcome, but if not, you get a better situation on the ground. to me, that is couple of entry to greater efforts to create zones.rt of humanitarian this isn't a solution. there may not be a solution to the syria. but it does stabilize the situation. charlie: what is the strategy? is it to take assad out militarily? is it to have some leverage to negotiate with him that he doesn't have now? in the last 10 days, he said i want to regain all of syria. nicholas:

we've seen over 200,000 syrians killed over 7.6 million syrians who have been displaced.this is a tragedy. and the fact is, that when you have russian charges, when you have syrian charge in iran, it is about the u.s. not only just leading from behind. but the fact that the strategy is clearly not working and the state department is making note of it. >> a.b., just to be clear, what the state department is calling for is not more air strikes against isis, they're calling for more air strikes on the regime of the syrian president. >> president obama is well aware that this dissent has been growing at the state department. when the secretary of state left she said she would have supported earlier arming of the rebels and possibly a no fly zone. she was calling for something stronger. he obviously relented on the red line in 2013. even kerry pointed to a report in 2013 basically arguing that if he if he relented on that, it would be an encouragement to assad to use chemical weapons one more time, if not more. so this dissent is not new. ed a general keen points out, it's a n

this report comes at 4700 syrian refugees are about to be resettled right here in our country.nd hillary clinton, presumptive democratic nominee. vows to bring in 60,000 more, if she becomes president. fox news military analyst jack keane joins me right now. general, 70,000 crimes? i mean, what is happening to europe right now, as they deal with influx of refugees and migrants, that don't have a culture that resembles theirs? >> well, certainly i mean this is caused a major problems, socially, economically. germany is probably the country that can withstand this the best, in terms of economics of it, but they have over one million refugees now and it's rising and it's clearly having some impact as your introduction indicated. i do believe in time the german police, as they get to know people that are coming in, they will be able to impact that behavior. what truly concerns me the most, about this large influx of migrants is not so much the crime which i think is manageable, is those that would have the proclivity for terrorism as a result how they are treated by europeans. case

watch this. >> would that bring in syrian refugees pose a greater risk to americans? >> it's clearly a population of concern. >> the concern is in syria. the lack of our footprint on the ground in syria that the databases won't have the information we need and not that we have a lack of process. there's a lack of information. >> i don't, obviously, put it past the likes of isil to infiltrate operatives among these refugees. >> we can only query against that which we have collected. and so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in syria in a way to get their identity or their interest reflected in the database we can query the database until the cows come home but nothing will show up because we have no record on that person. >> we should be conscious of the potential that daesh may attempt to embed agents within that population. >> here now with reaction, bridget gabrielle and ari aramesh. ari, we heard from the top national security advisers, director of national intelligence james clapper, we heard from fbi director comey, assistant director steinbeck, mike

on the syrian turkish border and the syrian jordanian bored so we can save civilian lives.urkey, a traditional american role, not putting substantial american forces on theground. but we have a responsibility as a great power to help people and we should exercise that. >> ambassador burns do -- good to see you. iraqi special fors has taken back part fallujah. that according to u.s. defense secretary ash carter who says the iraqis still have a whole lot of fighting to do. you may recall that fallujah saw heavy fighting during the war in iraq and has become a key city in the battle against isis an iraqi military official says his troops have pounder into the -- pushed into the center of fallujah and control 80% of it. they retook the city several weeks ago. aid groups report 50,000 civilians were trapped inside the city but as isis fighters began abandonnen posts the "associated press" reports crowds of people escaped with some jumping into the euphrates river. >>> true resilience on full display this week at the annual warrior games. the athletes are all service members and

we are doing nothing against the syrian government, which is as least as distractive. that you are trying to arrive at a positive conclusion in syria with air power, but you refuse to act against an equally powerful and pernicious actor, it does not make sense. that is where this administration or the next one has to go. charlie: what has this accomplished? just where it is now. this is on the front page of "the new york times." >> it has brought syria back in this campaign that we are running. it has brought syria back into the focus of the american people. there are tremendous consequences here for the night at states if this goes the wrong way from a humanitarian perspective. when you are on the front page wethe new york times, remind people that we are failing in our effort. >> the obama administration has seven months to go. you can't just run out the clock. there is still time to have a serious policy change. so, you don't leave a total mess. based upon what i have seen in terms of his actions, what i have seen in terms of his conversations with you, what i think

the flow of foreign fighters including from america to syrian iraq has plummeted. our intelligence community assesses the ranks that it's reduced to the lowest levels in two and a half years. even as we continue to destroy isol militarily, we are addressing larger forces that allow the terrorists to gain traction in parts of the world. with regard to iraq that means helping iraqi stabilize communities and promote governance, to isol cannot return. it's support for the fragile cessation of hostilities there. it has not stopped most of the hardship on the syrian people and the hardship on civilians and the rashad regime is the major culprit. isol, and al qaeda's affiliate in syria continue to terrorize syrians, but as fragile and incomplete the cessation is, it has delivered some life saving aid to syrians in desperate need. and as difficult as it is, we'll continue to push for a political process that can end the civil war and results in a transition away from assad. beyond syria and iraq, isol is also losing ground in libya. forces of the libyan unity government ar

and the russians i believe can both in terms of restraint they can put on the syrian forces but also more on the tive engagement political front. stronger today or weaker than a year ago? his back ago he was on foot as the opposition forces operations g out that really were degrading the million tear reufplt as a result military sian intervention he is in a stronger position than he was in june of year. >> is that enhancing the ability diplomatic solution en it?s >> right now the strengthen military and russian unwillingness to use the iterage that it has has made i think more difficult. >> sounds like the russians have a position es in which we hoped they'd never be. thank you very much. on a quick director encryption since it has come up. it's important to remember that is restricted in the united states, it will still easy to download strong from hundreds of sources overseas. n my judgment requiring companies to build back doors in heir products to weaken strong encryption will put the personal at risk at aricans dangerous time and i want to make it clear i will fight such with ev