t. d. jakes has t. d. jakes kerch and t. d. jakes enterprises. is a great example is he's a producer, probably a writer, a film writer and, and there's all kinds of fingers in different pots. >> that's the taxable side of? >> that's right. they will say don't look at me necessary as an example of someone who's taking money out of the coffers. i'm making my money money from this other wing. that is sometimes true for some and it's less true for others. they don't really have to justify how much money they make in part because of the theological infrastructure of moving. all they had to say is look, i did it and i can show you how to do it. more is more and i can show you the way. >> someone who spoke at resident bushes inaugural, kirby john caldwell. 14,000 attendance, houston, texas,. >> one of the big surprises of the prosperity movement and why it took so long to write this book is in or to demonstrate how widespread is where to take into account not just the stereotypical prosperity mega churches which are nondenominational, but some of the de

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