t. j. max gerri: this is a different case real world theft n online. >> but these magnetic cards in existence ever. would think with this particular point thpoint i try to make is th aspect has had stakes iother situations there is settlements because this offer issues are known these are not new problems. >> i gave you that but with dollarand cents in front of a jury or judge for damages you really have damages wn everything is paid for? >> tt is a problem. >> but the person in the street yes the fraudulent charges may be paid by somebody ails the la payment fees what about overdraft protection or identity theft? >> i agree with all of that. >> i completely agree but in the court of loss. -- court of law. i agree. i lve to shop there but now claims scared. but they say we take care of all of that then there is nothing to argue about. >>ut they don't. >> the will. >> other retailers there was $7 million worth of damages with 40,000 class members they got what it is $75 each gerri: the reality is this is unacceptable thh is their responsibility. let's talk about this what is valuable? is that