t.e. lawrence to david kilcullen, leads me to believe that we need a larger security forces. >> larger than the current and- strength? >> yes, sir. >> general, do you also believe -- in your judgment, will the afghan army need to get a significantly higher end-of strength than 134,000? >> yes, that is my belief right now. >> in terms of the pakistan situation -- and here, general, he made reference to this -- would you agree that assistance to pakistan would only be affected if the pakistani government is considered by the people of pakistan as taking the fight to the insurgents because of their own needs as a nation, not because of u.s. pressure? >> yes, sir, i do. >> admiral, do you want to give a quick comment on that? >> yes, sir, i do. >> the general mcchrystal, are you familiar with the national solidarity program in afghanistan? >> yes, sir. >> do you have an opinion of its success? >> i want to learn more when i get on the ground, but from what i've seen here, it is very successful and very positive. >> relative to the question of detainees, and you make brief reference to it, gener