amy: we're going to go to break and come back to this discussion, ta-nehisi coates, has a new book comingut in october "we were eight years in power: animate and tragedy." we will be back with ta-nehisi in a moment. ♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman and juan gonzalez. let's turn for a minute to some of the voices from the rally that took place this weekend after the terror in charlottesville, where heather heyer, a 32-year-old paralegal activist deeply committed to social and racial justice was killed as she was run over, hit by a car that had driven into the protesters, the counterprotesters against the white supremacist. donald trump was concerned at that point, talked about violence on all sides. this was the sounds of protest outside his trump tower on 5th avenue. go!onald trump has got to >> i felt it was important to come out today -- to come out every day to oppose a president that condones white supremacy. it took him three days to denounce david duke last year during his campaign. it is very interesting he mad

a fascinating total coincidence, when this story broke publicly, ta-nehisi coates happened to be jon'sday. he was a friend of him, not aware of any of this act story. i interviewed coates for the book, and he said i thought something interesting -- people struggle with racism in good ways all the time, that we do not see or hear about. we only hear about the confrontation and conflict. to him, what jon did over the course of a number of years, sometimes did not make everyone happy, but was moving the ball forward. it was of good intention and progressive in every way. charlie: to create diversity there? jon: yes. when you are faced with that type of criticism, your first response is generally defensiveness. when we first started the show, comedy was, especially late was the realm of the late-night ironists. just a very witty, people that t.'s.ery well on the s.a. they wrote further parody papers at their colleges. relatively unathletic white men. charlie: who love sports? wholie: who did not -- jon: did not love sports. you would find one guy who would love sports. then we would talk a