i see that going on in this church here tabor lutheran. can you, help us a little bit with how you can expand out lutheranism to fit what the community needs here? >> lutheranism historically has had a very broad ecumenical base and most people are not really, let me say they don't remember the kind of base on which lutheranism was built. the base is such that it says that we proclaim jesus christ as lord savior. now the important thing about a place like tabor is the fact that we have to be totally cognizant of the context. the context becomes the key for the way for the holy spirit operates within the community. how a pastor ministers has something to do with knowing his or her context. you cannot walk into an african american church and use a scandinavian style of leadership, you cannot walk into a scandinavian church and use an african american style of leadership. it is taking the time to know the context, to know the people, to understand the dynamics of racism, and sexism, and classism, of capitalism, to understand the dynamics, to k

lowe and sheryl pero at tabor lutheran church, you may not have heard tabor lutheran obviously most of you are from the chicago area. but i bet you've heard of the second example we are going to look at, willow creek community church out in the bulky suburb south barrington, i believe. amazing stories, very different stories but both of them have successfully adapted, and i want to show why to do a truly sociological song and dance here for you, but you will see this. i want to talk about the dilemmas of institutionalization. and the first point with these dilemmas is they don't just affect religions, they affect every single kind of institution. every time you bring a group of people together and your institution lies around a set of ideals, you have to find some way of balancing these dilemmas. and, now think about this in your club, in your church, in your school, united states government, believe me our good president is wrestling with the dilemmas of institutionalization, the chicago bulls has just gone through are in the midst of a terrible wrestling with the dilemmas. so once we