we're back with lisa bloom, paul henderson, tad nelson and karen desoto.is case, the evidence of this case you think is being overlooked by those of us who are paying very close attention? something that you're saying, you know, i think this is going to have great meaning in the minds of those jurors? >> i really think it's the race issue. i mean, it's the one thing i wanted to hear more of. i think there was an expectation that ultimately both sides were going to address. and that that never happened. and i believe that the jurors are feeling the same way. it's something that i feel, colors, no pun intended, a lot of the evidence, and i think would have helped them come to a faster conclusion and would have facilitated the deliberation process. >> lisa bloom, what are you reading in this case that's not getting wide circulation? >> yeah, first of all, i'm growing very fond of that paul henderson. i agree about race. this jury can be trusted to look at gruesome autopsy photos. >> right. >> yet we can't trust them to hear a little evidence about race and a

do that, particularly elected judges don't do that. >> we're rejoined by lisa is, karen desoto, tad nelsontad, would it have been better from a prosecutorial standpoint if they saw the manslaughter as the highest defense and not second degree murder which su the professor's point. >> you all know profess ter dershowitz sits overmellow dramatic. >> he's a pretty smart guy. >> he's a genius. no doubt. he is the high water mark but still dramatic. we all know that this case got brought because of politics and if you're bringing it for politics because they didn't charge this guy originally. if you're bring package it for politics is, you can't charge him at a lesser offense at the beginning. i think they did the right thing. i don't think they're going to make second degree murder. but the reality is, the difference dependence, we talk about the depraved heart, was he out there to hurt and kill somebody thing, that's the only difference between these two. so i don't think they can get to that level. but from a prosecutorial point of view, you've got to the shoot high especially on something w

we're rejoined by our panel, lisa bloom, tad nelson and karen desoto.ing that surprised me today was the lack of argument by either side, differentiating in their closings between second degree murder and manslaughter. i really think that's an important part of the case, and yet both seemed to stay away from it. what what's your read on that? >> i wanted to hear more on those differentiations. obviously the issue with the second degree murder is the intent. but beyond that, i think the bigger issue is the self-defense. and i really wish both parties had spent more time ar particular rating why the self-defense is successful or why it fails. i brief that's the real legal issue. and that's what i brief the jury is in that room now trying to discuss and trying to figure out whether or not there's a real self-defense and where that failure or success fits in between those two charges. >> tad nelson, i think a difficult aspect for the prosecution's case is that evil intention. in meeting the requirement and that's why they spent so much time as you know on t

they are looking at everything and being as thorough as possible and anyway, i want to thank you tad nelsonwell as page for joining us. tad williams. stay with us. we'll be right back with more from sanford, florida. the verdict could come down at any second. we are outside in front of that courthouse waiting. stay with us. . >> i will submit to you even in silence, his body by evidence admits the defendant's guilt. why do i say that? because from dna, lack of blood, other stuff, his body speaks to you and even in death that and that this defendant is lying about what happened. >> we are back live from sanford, florida, awaiting the jury's verdict in the george zimmerman murder trial. forensic evidence played a key role in testimony over the past week. but did it help the defense or did it help the prosecution? we will ask famed forensic pathologist who joins us from new york city, dr. bodin, thanks for being with us. you heard the testimony of dr. vincent demaio. >> i did. >> as to the wound of trayvon martin. many felt his testimony turned the case. in his description of where trayvon was

tad nelson is a defense attorney and former prosecutor and rachel self is a trial attorney. uch. tad, is the justice department obligated, is it mandatory for them to do an investigation in this case because the f.b.i. already did and determined that george zimmerman did not racially profile. >> not only is it not obligated, it's ridiculous. this is out of control. we got a police department that said there is nothing here. we've got a d.a.'s office there is nothing here. we've got a state attorney's office that cheats and still loses. >> jamie: what do you mean, accusations? >> the evidence held it under. a person got fired base he exposed that they cheated. bottom line, this is political. you've got brother barack obama and eric holder are pushing this because they are pandering to their people. >> wow. i'm going to ask you this. >> jamie: i'm going to ask you to stick to your legal expertise. president asked for america to come together as a nation. rachel in terms of the actual case, i was impressed because the president said yesterday the jury did its job. the judge ran

. >> paul henderson, tad nelson, karen desoto. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >>> good evening, from new york. i'm chris hayes. it was 16 1/2 months ago, february 26th, 2012, the altercation between trayvon mention min martin and george michael zimmerman took place in sanford, florida. tonight the fate of george zimmerman rests in the hands of a jury of six. there's other news tonight including an actual appearance of edward snowden in moscow. we'll show you later. we begin, of course, in florida, where 5 1/2 hours ago after 12 days of testimony, the jury was handed the case of the state of florida versus george zimmerman. the man that's charged with second-degree murder in the killing of trayvon martin. mr. zimmerman has pleaded not guilty. claiming self-defense. the jury has ended its deliberations for the day and will resume at 9:00 a.m. eastern time tomorrow. they've already asked the judge a question, in the short time since their deliberations began. they requested a list of all the evidence they were presented

. >> thank you, lisa bloom, paul henderson, tad nelson and karen de soto. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being was. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks, michael, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, verdict watch in the george zimmerman trial. the jury's decision could come down at literally any moment. these are live pictures from the seminole county courthouse in sanford, florida, where jurors have been shut away in the jury room, deliberating for about three and a half hours now. by this point, they probably selected their foreman and are reviewing the evidence. after 12 days of testimony and 53 witnesses, these six women on the jury must decide whether george zimmerman is guilty in the shooting death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. this morning, they heard mr. zimmerman's lawyer make closing arguments for the defense. >> you look at all this evidence, and you have to say i have a reasonable doubt as to whether or not the state convinced me. he didn't act in self-defense. that's all you have to do. you don't ha