we've even had taggers tell on other taggers. which is kind of funny. the rewards range from $75 to $250. like i said, we have a board that sits on it and he check off different things and how dangerous it was for that person telling the other. it's p just for kids. it's all over the city. we have billboards all over the city that say this is our program, call it, we can get you money, 75, $250. the other thing is i have these little green cards i carry with me. when i'm outlooking at -- doing graffiti. don't tell anything. when i'm looking at graffiti, i feel like a homeless guy sitting out there. they could use extra bucks. i give them the card. did you see who did is that? yeah, punk kid, blah, blah, blah. go to the pay phone right there, call 911 if you see them doing it and they'll get you a reward, 75 to 250. really? yeah. so, money is money, man. [laughter] >> i get them to help me out as well. this is our phone number. these are the things we need to know. this is our program, this is how -- these are the things we did to mandate it. the suspect

for taggers trying to train other people to be better vandals. so don't ignore the fact there's stuff out there for the graffiti vandal because that can be of huge use to you. meetings, we hold a monthly task force meeting and our task force meeting pretty much covers everything from santa barbara down to san diego is our main group we have a task force meeting with. we share ideas, it's evolved over the years, become more formal. now each time we have a meeting we try to do some new training or talk about the technology available, i will talk about the technology in my class this afternoon. it's really good because we document it because when you go to court, you can show training on a monthly basis. conferences, i can't tell you how excited i am these are happening. only in the last two or three years have these major conferences come about. the one up in canada, they were a great group of conferences and other people started to pick up on this. when i became an officer dealing with gravanis in 1991, there were no conferences and there was virt

guy is just a tagger, right? no, he did six burglaries in phoenix and five burglaries in glendale by his girlfriend's house. 35 guns stolen. went back and interviewed him. where did those guns go? he sold them. to who? bunch of tagger buddies. so, it go and goes and goes. and now he's got 6-1/2 years for the graffiti. he's facing up to 8 years right now for the burglary charges. so, it's not just graffiti. b feet i'm telling you, please don't believe that. * what else did i want to tell you guys? there's something. just be careful with some of these guys, especially when you deal with them out on the street. there's a couple incidences where we caught people in the act, arrest them, get their hands behind them, sure as crap they have a gun right there. so, either they have guns or they have pellet guns that look like guns. same thing as i'm going home to the family. they pull that on you. you know what you need to do. it's a getting worse. and we're doing a study -- you might be interested in talking to you about

big, bold letters it read things like various newspapers read the same thing, taggers shoot two church goers. tagging suspect shoots church goers. but when you go into the article and read the whole account of the incident, it's reported these are gang members and these are gangsters putting up gang gravanis. but when people read this stuff in the paper, that's where they are getting their input. they have never had any training and it starts to blur the line. what's a tagger, are they all gangsters, do gangsters tag, and sometimes the jury is going to have that in your head when they listen to your case so you need to clear that up so they know exactly where you are coming from when you are doing a case. so over the years we developed 5 types of gravanis. now there are a lot of ways to categorize gravanis. you might be looking historically and looking at old school new school stuff, geographically, east coast versus west coast stuff, but this is easy to articulate in court and we can explain exactly what we've got and what we haven't got. we're going to talk about each one of these in

there is a lot of violence in the taggers. they get into fist fights. i've arrested tagers with knives and brass knuckles. i've heard stories of guns being taken off tagers. it is a violent culture or has aspects of violent culture in it. you need to educate people on that. when you're going -- when you're painting over someone's graffiti, that could be seen as the ultimate disrespect. and you could be exposing yourself to a lot of danger. that's one of the reasons why we have officers going out with juveniles. now, the good thing about doing paint overs is it's not a signature. that's a blanket of paint covering graffiti. so, thor just going to know that i directed them to do that. and they can, they can address me if they have any problems with the fact that i told somebody to paint over them. you know, i'm not putting a tag there. it's city property. and as far as the type of paint we use, we don't use aerosol paint. we don't use solvents or thinners or anything like that. so, i'm not exposing the kids in my program to any dangerous chemicals or anyt

what's a tagger, are they all gangsters, do gangsters tag, and sometimes the jury is going to have that in your head when they listen to your case so you need to clear that up so they know exactly where you are coming from when you are doing a case. so over the years we developed 5 types of gravanis. now there are a lot of ways to categorize gravanis. you might be looking historically and looking at old school new school stuff, geographically, east coast versus west coast stuff, but this is easy to articulate in court and we can explain exactly what we've got and what we haven't got. we're going to talk about each one of these individually. you've got communicative, you've got hate, you got gang, tagger, art's in there and then i used to just kind of glass off this one called anomaly. i don't consider it one of the five major forms of gravanis for prosecution but it's important that it's there because it allows you to classify all gravanis in one way or another. >> creator father and we ask thanks this day and ask for blessing for those that prepared this food and nourish our souls. we

of going east you might end up crossing the confusion freeway sign tagging is nothing new, infact taggersave been bombing pretty much everything for decades like these directional signs take all these cost taxpayers money and are an eyesore many times the taggers record their misdeeds and upload what they to do toyou are looking at video i found on youtube of just such deeds where they are vandalizing various places vandialism of state property or anyone's property without permission is a crime but they know this i spoke on the phone with caltrans and they say the signs are treated with a coating that the tags can be removed so replacing the signs will but they will have to shut down lanes on the freeway to so causing more inconvience to drivers in oakland stanley roberts kron 4 news coming up on kron 4 news weekend that was a participant in last night's demonstrations. one of many around the country showing support for trayvon martin. we are following the story all morning and the backlash that is following the jury finding george zimmerman not guilty. after 16-and-a-half hours of delibe

they are not taggers but urban artists. painting over graffiti and replacing it with a mural.akland middle and high school teacher jonathan broomfield says he too is a reformed tagger who now shows students how to channel a destructive activity into a positive one. >> i can teach you how to be a graphic designer. it gets people reengaged in education. >> reporter: hill has received a grant to show students about art by painting over graffiti scared buildings and creating more positive messages. it's a huge help to the owner of this market. >> so we have to clean every morning. it's really nice. i'm happy, you know. i don't need to go through every morning what i was going through. >> i would rather do this than having to go out at nighttime. it's actually better because people are going to look at it and say, these kids are doing good things for the community. >> reporter: there is unfortunately no shortage of graffiti covered buildings in oakland. the good news is these students are more than willing to turn blithe into beauty. in oakland, rob roth, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> l

they are not taggers but urban artists. painting over graffiti and replacing it with a mural.akland middle and high school teacher jonathan broomfield says he too is a reformed tagger who now shows students how to channel a destructive activity into a positive one. >> i can teach you how to be a graphic designer. it gets people reengaged in education. >> reporter: hill has received a grant to show students about art by painting over graffiti scared buildings and creating more positive messages. it's a huge help to the owner of this market. >> so we have to clean every morning. it's really nice. i'm happy, you know. i don't need to go through every morning what i was going through. >> i would rather do this than having to go out at nighttime. it's actually better because people are going to look at it and say, these kids are doing good things for the community. >> reporter: there is unfortunately no shortage of graffiti covered buildings in oakland. the good news is these students are more than willing to turn blithe into beauty. in oakland, rob roth, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> l

the opposite side where you have like mountain dew where they go out and find 10 or 12 different taggers they think are great, design custom mountain cans, extreme games is the thing they're pushing and they get a lot of input from that. they have a website and guys go out collecting cans reading about the poor vandals grew up on the mean streets, now they're artists because they have their own personal cans. we can't regulate what isn't personal constitution. if you can provide an economic impact, we as adults are looking at this and we don't want to deal with it, if you have any thought about this, contact randy campbell at no graffiti network. he's been battling against coca cola and their graffiti stuff for years and years and years. he can tell you what kind of battle that is legally. so, it's kind of the side effect of living in a free country. >> awesome, thank you. i believe you had a question here. did you have your hand up? mine was a pretty good question. let's see what other answers we have. >> i'm the general services manager for our public works department which means i hav

think that they can live together happily with the united states but china has seen which says to taggers can't live. that's you know china right now it's a couple little cup of course they won't fight the united states fight for that mud to budge eventually they will become a big tiger. it will be too small for the event pacific ocean will be too small for them ok when you point out i mean the united states is a militant want to add something lynn go ahead jump in. yes yeah i just want to say what we have exacerbated this problem also is the chinese growth the growth in china economic growth the last few years the insane growth that they were enjoying it is unsustainable. globally countries everywhere in trouble in that it and unemployment is up living standards down so the expectation for the future will be disappointed so many countries will be disappointed. about their future prospects so that will intensify this scramble for the remaining resources so just to survive and just to placate they populations we will see more conflicts and the not just between china and usa ok dan it sound

think that they can live together happily with the united states but china has seen which says to taggers can't live. that's you know china right now it's a couple little cup of course they won't fight the united states fight for that mud to budge eventually they will become a big tiger. it will be too small for the even pacific ocean will be too small for them ok when you point out i mean the united states is a militant want to add something lynn go ahead jump in. yes yeah i just want to say what we exacerbate this problem also is a chinese growth the growth in china economic growth the last few years the insane growth that they were enjoying is unsustainable. globally countries everywhere in trouble in that it and unemployment is up living standards down so the expectation for the future will be disappointed so many countries will be disappointed. about their future prospects so that will intensify this scramble for the remaining resources so just to survive and just to placate they populations we will see more conflicts and the not just between china and usa ok dan it sounds like if th

of their friends, 50 of their friends, a hundred of their friends, now you'll look like you're a tagger yourself. you're good to go. you get all that intel right there. you try to stay -- phoenix graffiti. * it's not broken. >> do you write any flickr warrants? >> i don't use flickr. instagram is huge right now. >> they went away from flickr. >> they came and went pretty fast. i'm sure there's some still out there, but our kids in phoenix don't really use it. >> it was good because you can put in multiple tags. if you put in the right key words and put a space in between them you can figure out all kinds of crews, monikers, and where they're tagging to, what cities. >> yeah, i've never had to do flickr yet, but insta gram, facebook, youtube, those i have. any other questions? i hope something you got from me you can learn. if you didn't hear everything you wanted to hear, call me. like i said, i don't care what time it is. if it's about graffiti, like i said, i'm passionate about it. i'll help you out with anything. if you need to write a search warrant i'll help you write the damn sear

. * tagger look at different things on facebook. i don't know if you guys can see all the paint cans. it's got a couple assault rifles in there. graffiti is just -- graffiti -- those guys aren't that bad. we're seeing a lot of -- in the state of -- in the city of phoenix, not the state of arizona, but the city of phoenix, we don't recognize tagging crews yet as gangses. they don't filth our criteria for dealing that. but if you look at it, they do. i can prove to you that it's the same stuff as when when you document a gang memorandum ben bernanketioner they're doing the same stuff. a lot these guys get jumped into a tagging crew. three ways to get into a tagging crew i know from speaking and interviewing all these guys. you either get jumped in, you get bombed in, which means they go around the city and bomb, or if you're a girl, you get sexed in. who does that, too? gangs. they do the same stuff. and we have a big syndicate that just went out. we just finished it up with a tagging crew. beer runs and cigarette runs from convenienc

if you're doing something that the original tagger, the vandal, let's say, did, and now you're using volunteers to paint it out, what -- has anybody considered the possibility if you don't have police accompaniment to the rehabilitation of that wall, that it's very possible that the person that tagged it is not going to want to see it painted out and might behave in an adversarial situation, perhaps danger? inclusive of the fact that on the other side of the coin is let's say you've got volunteers, you've got kids that work in on the wall. and a possibility of this hazardous material affecting them in some negative way so that later on down the road, those people who were doing a volunteer wonderful job are now going to be bringing you into court and saying, you organized this thing and you caused this cancer or whatever it might be. >> great question. and we look like we have a couple of people that would like to take an answer on that one. >> when we do our graffiti wipe outs, we have it arranged so it's the nonprofit organization that is applying to us for permission to do it. the

. >> it has become the big west tagger island. john: wait a second. we are ahead of ourselves.lation. the video was made by real-estate developer. what do you want to do? >> well, i think it can be an opportunity for droit to once again regain its stature. th vision is ten have an investment group by the island for $1 billion from the city of detroit and to apply for commonalth status from the federal government similar to what the northern mariana islands in join our pr. hn: freedom to try new rules. >> we have our ownnlaws. the government taxation. we wld be business friendly. we try to model ourselves after singape. during that time the detroit has gone from 2 million people down to 700,000 from 1950 until the present, singapore has gone from 1 million the 4 million people. we would be business friendly. we would have some taxation principl which would make us very competitive. number one is we would not tax anything we want to encourage. number two, taxes have to be transparent. john: we don't want to tax anything. encourage. >> we don't tax investment or labor in come. joh

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. >> it has become the big west tagger island. john: wait a second. we are ahead of ourselves.lation. the video was made by real-estate developer. what do you want to do? >> well, i think it can be an opportunity for detroit to once again regain its stature. the vision is ten have an investment group by the island for $1 billion from the city of detroit and to apply for commonwealth status from the federal govnment similar to what the northern mariana islands in join our pr. john: freedom to try new rules. >> we have our ownnlaws. the government taxation. we would be business friendly. we tryo model ourselves after singapore. during that time the detroit has gone from 2 million people down to 700,000 from 1950 until the present, singapore has gone from 1 million the 4 million peopl we would be business friendly. we would he some taxion principles which would make us very competitive. number one is we would not tax anything we want to encourage. number two, taxes have to be transparent. john: we don't want to tax anything. encourage. >> we don't tax investment or labor in come.

the market went from a tagger pending stock situation to plenty of soybeans .and i know the job you're looking at some real action in what's happening in the energy market. it is fascinating to watch the way commodities are behaving. >> i think a commodity market has been a little bit interesting lately, especially with crude, we touched the key moving average at about one of four. and this in as we head that we held the level and bounced back above 105 to close near the high of the day. only up slightly, but that was a pretty big intraday moves. the fact that we held is pretty bullish going forward. in addition wanting to know, crude-oil and the s&p 595-94 correlation. it's really a response rate. liz: of 1688, but watching the nasdaq called at 3600, this is an exciting last hour. thank you for joining us. i know it's a summer day, but we have action right here. thank you for joining us. we have a closing bell ringing in 38 minutes. president obama hitting the road again trying to sell his economic agenda. will his plan for a new infrastructure spending work o

he used to be a tagger himself.e showed students how to turn that destructive activity into a positive one. >> can i teach you to be a graphic designer and do this art form. honestly speaking it changes young people's lives around violence. >>> he has received a grant to help students paint over the buildings. this program is just a win-win situation for everybody. well, nearly 200 volunteers in san francisco are going to be working to the to clean up their neighborhoods. the department of public works scheduled a tribute to nelson mandela. it takes off at 9:00, it will go for 40 minutes -- it starts at noon. today's efforts will focus on district 111 which is in the southern part of the city. >>> people have been celebrating around the world since he turned 95 in on thursday. he's fighting a lung infection. he's steadily improving according to his doctors. >>> a boy is locked outside his car as temperatures outside rise. they try to coach the boy to free himself from danger. >>> i expect they'll clear and the tempe

caller: half my career in the kc 31 tagger, and have my career in the kc 10 tanker in vietnam and theou. i was in strategic air command most of my time. that is why i was aware of the b-52s. i understand, that caveat, sir, you are absolutely right could the latter-day i would call it drone, the offensive weapon drone. the range, the technology paid i saw one of those things in oshkosh and i was just amazed at the size of that predator drone. things aren't huge. but it was more of a matter of what you speak -- things are huge but it was more of a matter of what you speak with drones -- guest: i agree with you. as you probably know, the people involved in the program hate that word, "drone," niu used to refrain from using it. but it is in the lexicon and there's not much that can be done about it. host: steve wants to know about the technology. guest: oh, boy. you have hit it level of technology that i would have to go and look things up. the range -- i mean, it depends. these things can stay aloft between 24 and 48 hours. as you can imagine, the fuel consumption -- i don't have the num