it became known as lashkar-e- taiba. in afghanistan, when you read the in-house propaganda and publications, you do not find these people fighting the soviets. they are fighting fellow muslims. when the afghan jihad was coming to an end, the group took a more formal form. that philosophy was to convert to pakistani babies . jihad was part of their philosophy. a lot of people in the west talk about the high as a peaceful struggle. i do not really agree with that concept. d. hawaii, as i understand, all with--been -- jihad has always been an attempt to establish an islamic state. jihad is an easy word to use in english in the west. that is why it has become more known. in jihadi propaganda, they do not use the word g.i. only. -- they do not use the word jihad only. in the beginning of the kashmir jihad, they discovered that there will be a time when they will fight a jihad against india. and the profit of islam will come down and fight amongst themselves. they think fighting against india could destroy india and demolish i

however, when it becomes apparent lashkar-e-taiba -- laurent gbagbo'administrations is impossible to govern, many hope for a diplomatic solution. bbc news. >> the middle east senior catholic cleric has arrived in bethlehem. jerusalem's latin patriarch is to offer a christmas message of peace and reconciliation at midnight mass. he is also expected to speak on the plight of iraqi christians. an attack on a church in baghdad killed 50. bethlehem is the town where jesus is said to have been born. unless urgent repairs are carried out at the centuries- old charge of the nativity, visitation may have to be restricted and in the future. >> christmas where it all started, in bethlehem. yet again this year, thousands of tourists and christian programs that come to this palestinian west bank town, at the place where they believe jesus was born more than 2000 years ago. yet the focal point is the imposing nativity church. build and the 14th century, it has been damaged by wars and rebuild many times. it is protected in an uneasy agreement with three different churches. the tension between the

and how is this adequate lashkar-e-taiba could lashkar-e-taiba is basically under steve's right now.nd they are protect unit. >> is that it? teaneck for the question. i think they operated the same tactical and political levels because they share the same ideology, as long as it is any action, any against the united states of america and its allies. they operate, they cooperate and they try to inflict as much casualty, as much knowledge as possible to all those who basically are the collaborators that the united states of america. >> gentleman here. >> i work for the voice of america, but i don't resent voice of america here. i'm originally from qatar in pakistan. my question is we have 100,000 pakistani troops in the intelligence agencies and police in qatar. the guitar is a city of no more than 1 million people. we have this quite sure -- they are obviously controlling the whole taliban movement in pakistan. and they are giving -- i mean, they are the center of taliban afghanistan, in charge of the whole war from condos to herat. in the presence of 100,000 troop plus the intelligen

and how is this adequate lashkar-e-taiba could lashkar-e-taiba is basically under steve's right now.nd they are protect unit. >> is that it? teaneck for the question. i think they operated the same tactical and political levels because they share the same ideology, as long as it is any action, any against the united states of america and its allies. they operate, they cooperate and they try to inflict as much casualty, as much knowledge as possible to all those who basically are the collaborators that the united states of america. >> gentleman here. >> i work for the voice of america, but i don't resent voice of america here. i'm originally from qatar in pakistan. my question is we have 100,000 pakistani troops in the intelligence agencies and police in qatar. the guitar is a city of no more than 1 million people. we have this quite sure -- they are obviously controlling the whole taliban movement in pakistan. and they are giving -- i mean, they are the center of taliban afghanistan, in charge of the whole war from condos to herat. in the presence of 100,000 troop plus the intelligen

when you say lashkar-e-taiba, shkar are so many laws can groups. it is unfortunate that in places in lashkar-e-taiba which has been embroiled in the mumb ai incident, so that when it hits the headlines in jamestown, it is coming from somewhere else. unfortunately. but let me tell you, lashkar-e- taiba has been in existence right from day jihad days. the names might have been going up and down. and into the cash mayor -- ka shmir freedom struggle and and they were banned by the government in 2001. and its reincarnation under various names have been banned from time to time. it is unfortunate that the name was involved in the mumbai incident. on whatever evidence was provided the government of pakistan, the key leaders mentioned by the indians in the context of that incident, have been under arrest. and their case is in the courts. now let me tell you one or two more things. i am somewhat surprised. with my background, i am very disappointed that lashkar-e- taiba should be projected as an organization that is on par with al qaeda. i am shocked that t

there is lashkar-e-taiba, many number of terrorist organization exist things which now has links with organized crime. because there is no way that a person can travel or send money without the symbiotic relationship between organized crime and terrorism. and that is the heart of the problem. by pakistani politicians will never allow a counterterrorism force because there are links there. if you go to karachi, why should the mqm oral the people's party about counterterrorism force there? because when a counter is a -- counterterrorism force operates there they will go after their strongholds. they will go after the weapons that are there. they will go after their bases, their sources of supply and logistics. obviously the counterterrorism force does not create any -- in karachi and in pakistan today. now, you know i do agree we have had a tremendous year. obviously india is a great impression and i think they must have a admired

i wrote a series called lashkar- e-taiba. i'm going to talk about the reporting, what i found, but i think it means. all summarize the finding of the articles for those who may not have read all or any of them. the series centered on two figures, david headley, the confessed american terrorists who did reconnaissance at mumbai, and the project's chief who was allegedly the head of the operation. the historic -- a concluded that the u.s. intelligence community was slow to see lashkar as a threat. they're increasing determination to strike the west in 2000 left and the impunity with which pak -- lashkar operated in pakistan. the reporting uncovered something that had been kept secret. they had looked into half a dozen warnings about headley's extremist activities while he trained with lashkar and scouted targets to route 01 between 2001 and 2009. failure to pursue those leads was because of a workload and i think about the lawyers to see lashkar as a priority. -- the failure to see lashkar as a priority. they undertook a review

that pakistani military is not rocha and its length with the islamic terrorist, taliban, lashkar-e-taibaof the pakistani military. the americans have been responding to this by giving more and more militant aid to pakistan. the question was raised in the afternoon and his feeling was that the americans -- how to meet this challenge. i tend to do agree with him. i would like you to speak, why do the americans and western europeans -- how long will they continue giving more and more and more military aid to pakistani military and strengthening the pakistani military vis-À-vis india and vis-À-vis taliban? >> first of all i have already heard from my good friend director solace' lunchtime speech. i am going to give you an incomplete and therefore not totally satisfying answer and that is a difficult question to discuss particularly for somebody to discuss in great detail publicly. when we talk about a visit i made to pakistan after benazir bhutto was killed. mike mcconnell and i attempted to do this under the radar. it wasn't all that super secret but we didn't want journalists like yourself

we will be talking about lashkar-e-taiba. i will be wearing two hats. i will moderate and will be given the first portion of this talk. i am joined by sebastian. i will do the introductions before we bring them up to speak. i will try to provide in 15 minutes a broad overview of let. then i will bring them up to speak about their ideology and training. then it sebastian will speak about the evil thing threat to the rest and their activities and training and planning for terrorist attacks against the west. briefly about me, i am finishing up a phd in war studies. this was one of my case studies in which i gather too much information for my own good. i have been working on a book about the group. as we heard this morning pakistan, has yet to move significantly against let. the u.s. has had a lot more success against getting pakistan to move against other militant outfits. one of those reasons was pointed out by the general. i think it is fair. let is not attacking the eight pakistani state. there is a significant fear of further drawing it into the insurg

there is lashkar-e-taiba, many number of terrorist organization exist things which now has links withcause there is no way that a person can travel or send money without the symbiotic relationship between organized crime and terrorism. and that is the heart of the problem. by pakistani politicians will never allow a counterterrorism force because there are links there. if you go to karachi, why should the mqm oral the people's party about counterterrorism force there? because when a counter is a -- counterterrorism force operates there they will go after their strongholds. they will go after the weapons that are there. they will go after their bases, their sources of supply and logistics. obviously the counterterrorism force does not create any -- in karachi and in pakistan today. now, you know i do agree we have had a tremendous year. obviously india is a great impression and i think they must have a admired because they have done really well. and at the same time, you know one must look at the last at doak china. china is a great friend of pakistan and yet china went to india and ha

there is lashkar-e-taiba, many number of terrorist organization exist things which now has links with organized crime. because there is no way that a person can travel or send money without the symbiotic relationship between organized crime and terrorism. and that is the heart of the problem. by pakistani politicians will never allow a counterterrorism force because there are links there. if you go to karachi, why should the mqm oral the people's party about counterterrorism force there? because when a counter is a -- counterterrorism force operates there they will go after their strongholds. they will go after the weapons that are there. they will go after their bases, their sources of supply and logistics. obviously the counterterrorism force does not create any -- in karachi and in pakistan today. now, you know i do agree we have had a tremdous year. obviously india is a great impression and i think they must have a admired because they have done really well. and at the same time, you know one must look at the last at doak china. china is a great friend of pakistan and yet china we