>> i don't know if they have carte blanche, but taiwan does seem more up for grabs than it ever has.sident trump has declined to talk about this, but there are people who think that maybe there could be some sort of deal here, and that does are people a little nervous about where where taiwan's going. >> and i think it should. people have to remember that the world order has been very good for the united states. i mean, it's been one of the reasons -- >> 80 years. >> exactly. and the stock market has done so so well. having rules, having markets that are free and open and a lot of trading going on between countries has been very good for u.s. corporate a margins. and you have to wonder as a business and investor, how is that going to change for companies? it's going to be different, it's going -- it might be a little more difficult. >> jack: nonetheless, i think we're talking 12 times earnings. if you do like the china trade, how do you get in? >> i think investors are right to be cautious here. one way the get rid of that single stock risk is with an etf like k work eb. ally -- kweb

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and so if they were to, you know, threaten taiwan and then say, "well, you know, let me have taiwan or i'm not gonna give you any antibiotics," well, jeez, that's a very difficult situation for us to be in. and so i think that the way i think about it as an economist is that, you know, there's this old economist, pigou, who said that when you tax something, you get less of it, so we should tax pollution. and so he advocated pollution taxes. they're called pigouvian taxes. and so i think that tariffs on some things can be thought of as like a tax on pollution, that there's this external harm to us of being vulnerable to, you know, a potential bad actor if we allow them to capture our market in something. and that's something that, you know, i think the tariff policies can address. i also remind that our trading partners all charge pretty high tariffs on our stuff. and that's something that i think disadvantages american workers for sure. and so one of the things that president trump advocated in first term and still advocates, he advocated it just at the convention, is that we pass a re

candidates regardless of party that they viewed as important for their core interests with respect to taiwan and paint our democracy as chaotic and ineffective. that is the influence landscape. they define influence as -- the intelligence community defines influence as efforts to disrupt or degrade our ability to actually conduct elections. the government consistently said it did not observe foreign actors attempting to seek to interfere in the conduct of the election. >> going back to your point about artificial intelligence, you seem to be saying it was not a transformative influence on flooring influence -- foreign influence. >> we said it was an accelerant, but not in this case transformative. russia, most prolific actor across audio, text, images, videos, using ai to produce content. we saw iran do this, creating inauthentic articles on fake news websites, for example. and china did use ai as its influence campaigns, but these were broader campaigns to shape the vision globally and out of -- amplify divisive social issues. >> you mentioned interference -- election info structure was sec

taiwan relationship is pretty stable. and one thing that the that the trump white house has indicated is that though it is willing to pull back on its support for nato, it still is very focused on confronting china in the west pacific and east asia. >> okay. let's play something here. this is secretary of state marco rubio and get your reaction to it. >> and he's the only one in the world that has any chance. if donald trump tomorrow decides, i don't care about ukraine, i don't care about russia, and i don't care about this war. and he walks away. i ask you, i ask everyone, well, who on this planet has any chance whatsoever, even a 1% chance of getting the combatants to the table? the answer is there is no one. he is the only one on earth right now that has any chance. if there is a chance at peace. is he the only one that has a chance to deliver on it? >> what's your reaction to that? >> yeah, i think that's a bit too narrow. i mean, we have seen other actors, including india, china and others who are willing to make pea

but just if you can briefly, i just watched this and thought, what china is thinking about taiwan andwhat message this is sending. and it's just it is chills me to my core. it's a message that there's no rules and that if they want to take taiwan, what international norm is there? who is fortifying an international norm against that? israel and the west bank or israel in southern syria right now? yeah. any big power is looking at this and thinking the rule book is out. now is the time for us to do the thing that we want to do. maybe what donald trump is thinking is that i'm going to join that list of people, whether it's greenland or panama or whatever he wakes up and decides to do. exactly. or canada. seriously, we have to start taking we're six weeks into this administration, chris, and this is where we already are. we have to expand our imaginations here about what could happen. and if you look at history, this kind of far right ethno nationalism that we see in this country and that we see in many parts of the world that vladimir putin is the avatar of that leads to war. it's the o

then that will somehow help iran crush, israel one day and will encourage china to invade taiwan. now it's kind of a leap of logic that china's policy is to depend on the outcome of the war in ukraine. but this the argument to resonate and therefore more so the biden administration taking position that the government of china is watching. and if the united states does not follow through on its commitment to ukraine, then taiwan is a greater risk and. the north koreans will get emboldened and they might try to invade south korea and japan will be at risk. and america's alliances around the world will fall pieces. so that remains the argument for. american engagement in places and conflicts, faraway the anti-interventionist argument today is that there is no end to the number of places the united states could engage. and for america to mortgage its future on what vladimir decides to do tomorrow, what kim jong un decides to do tomorrow, this is silly. you cannot control people who are beyond your control. and even if the united states could assist, for example, in ukraine's efforts t

will not be there for taiwan, they conduct a war against taiwan, they subdue taiwan, which has an immediatee impact on the u.s. because the taiwanese produced an enormous percentage of the chips around the world that we need for our tech industry, for the growing ai sector. these aggressive actions have immediate economic impact and we go into a recession. as our allies get picked off and as the europeans potentially broil themselves in a more localized conflict with russia, we are further isolated, and eventually the u.s. finds itself in a situation in which our own interests in the united states start to get attacked, whether it is through hybrid warfare or frankly the fact is we have territories in the pacific that the chinese do not like there as a means of force projection. we have samoa. we have guam. these are now vulnerable because we don't have an alliance structure. they are in the chinese sphere of influence, and it becomes a far more dangerous world. a massive nuclear arsenal and a powerful military, but we are to finish without our allies, we are diminished without our friends.

will not be there for taiwan, they conduct a war against taiwan, they subdue taiwan, which has an immediateimpact on the u.s. because the taiwanese produced an enormous percentage of the chips around the world that we need for our tech industry, for the growing ai sector. these aggressive actions have immediate economic impact and we go into a recession. as our allies get picked off and as the europeans potentially broil themselves in a more localized conflict with russia, we are further isolated, and eventually the u.s. finds itself in a situation in which our own interests in the united states start to get attacked, whether it is through hybrid warfare or frankly the fact is we have territories in the pacific that the chinese do not like there as a means of force projection. we have samoa. we have guam. these are now vulnerable because we don't have an alliance structure. they are in the chinese sphere of influence, and it becomes a far more dangerous world. a massive nuclear arsenal and a powerful military, but we are to finish without our allies, we are diminished without our friends. o

these would be taiwan, is the same thing that's bad if i could say is the ukraine a beast, asia, you know, don't provoke between the nuclear super powers. for heaven's sake. this is the most basic point for our survival. meantime, we've seen essentially the g 7 economies almost entirely being swapped out by the bricks economies. when you look at the top 10 economies nowadays, you know, you mentioned china and india and, and russia, but some of the traditional european economies at the bottom. now all the top 10 list would you, you mentioned publications a moment ago. let's just bring it back to us idea for a 2nd. i mean, this whole scandal, it continues to shock the world. i mean, who would have thought jeffrey, honestly, who would have folded usa id was financing all kinds of terror groups like isis folk ahead. i'll tie the h t as in syria, this is the country of the world. the tell us all of us. it's fighting terrorism, jeffrey, the usa. i, the very, sadly combined a 2 completely different things. one was actually saving lives, actually finding malaria, actually fighting tuberculos

united states in europe do not continue to sustain this war against russia through ukraine, then taiwan might actually decide to negotiate with china instead of continuing to arm up and that this could do grave damage to us empire in the long run. so that's why they want to keep using slavic meat to throw in to the slaughter house in order to extend russia because they're afraid about the loss of their imperium. in the long run. all i see and then bins the blame of what happened in the white house on some ends vans and the lo street at that through a pole that's vague, conducted on the website of one of the host. now the one days how representative is such a polar on the view of what americans or how the americans view of what's going on as well. cnn is part of the power mafia that is out of power and now which has been vanquished. and in many ways discredited by the re election of donald trump, cnn doesn't matter as much as it used to. and i think the trump administration understands that uh what cnn is doing is cherry picking and, and it, this honestly editing the exchange that took p

in the extreme. similarly, when the taiwanese, when the gloaming dogwood, driven out of china is a taiwan. and now when the communist party assume power in 1947, our space with a similar daunting task of trying to govern china. and obviously the soviet union and china off our largest in syria. but the situations are no less precarious today for a number of reasons. syria is in the mid place of a huge tr. ready and among geostrategic issues, russia, israel, turkey, east, and west iran terrorism. it is a mess, rebuilding it, trying to bring back the people so that they are one after the higher as of the side is going to be usually difficult. there are bands of unemployed former soldiers, barbara baptists, who are going to cause trouble. and so the work is cut out for them. okay, well the, obviously the 1st step for one of the 1st steps is to get this enter in government announced and up and running that there's 2 committees obviously that we mentioned before. that will be part of that. they will be appointed by the president, and i got ahold, significant power with no external over size. is

in taiwan and many other countries, especially in europe, can we trust and should we rely just on the us. and you see how the european countries at off to these really push to the production i might have they get. so you're saying that you are paying countries have pushed the production. are you saying that they have been preparing for such a prospect? some countries? yes. for sure, we definitely have to talk to indiana now to be able to fill the gap that any freezing or withdrawing or for us military support would lead to oh, not totally because there are certain types of diminishing that you can adjust with the financial support quickly to reference to select venture also, as i said, but at the same time they invented a very interesting model disco danesh model. well the countries kind of provide anything because they don't produce, but they have enough money to invest in ukrainian production. and just for the last months, as you've heard of the several new types of the styles that you is ukranian majors, which we just needed to proper financing, contesting for them. don't forget th

other rogue nations like iran, and eventually also for china as they lick their chops looking toward taiwannd the philippines and the china a sea. molly: it would be quite something if russia made an agreement and gave back that territory. commander lippold, thank you figure your insights on this saturday morning -- thank you for your insights. >>> another air scare this morning. check out this new video coming in. this is a fedex plane if on fire making an emergency landing at a newark international airport in new jersey just minutes after takeoff. apparently, the engine burst into flames after the plane struck a bird, and as we mentioned, this was a fedex plane. reminder, this was not a passenger plane. so far no injuries reported, but no doubt yet another frightening moment for pilots and crew onboard a plane here in america. and for anyone on the ground who witnessed all a of this as well. >>> the house passing one big, beautiful budget bill, but will they be able to get senators onboard before the shutdown deadline less than two weeks away? republican congresswoman nancy mace is coming

of starting this war, could that be sending a signal to china that it has a green light to invade taiwanuld not. china somehow received that, they're receiving the exact wrong message as the united states stands with its ally in that region and we want to have peace and relationships all across that region, but china should not misread this at all. when president trump is trying to do is trying to get both sides to the table and this is an interesting challenge that has not been done in the last three years to be able to get both sides and figure out to get a stop to the fighting and be able to keep the fighting stopped and that's the next part that's the next challenge. >> it is. we'll have to see if these talks get back on track. i do want to switch gears and talk about the budget bill. you just heard me discussing that with the speaker, as well. what passed e house deals with the president's deportation plan. it extends the 2017 trump tax cuts. the argument that the speaker of the house republicans are making is that in order to get tax cuts done, the best chance is to do it together

happiest person right now, because he is getting a green light to go ahead and potentially invade taiwan, which could very well lead to world war iii in the pacific. the stakes are incredibly high. i don't think most americans understand just how dangerous what trump and vance is doing. what they are doing is to our national security, to world peace, because they are throwing deterrents out the window. they are just saying, go ahead. murderous dictators walk all over us. >> former national security adviser and former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. susan rice, sees it also as very dangerous, similar to your point of view. and she said this on cnn last night about the accumulation now of actions in this month long. administration. >> this was a setup designed to, uh, humiliate and antagonize the giveonald trump a pretext for o what he has already indicated he is intending to do, which is to stop military assistance to ukraine. so we are in a really dangerous. not to mention shameful situation. >> do you think, you know, what happened yesterday was a setup? >> i mean, i'm not sure how else to

and china is thinking, my goodness, taiwan. he doesn't want to worry about that.i'm worried about this country. that's where we're putting our money. we're not sending foreign aid anyplace else. we're taking care of america first. that sounds good. but experts on the other side say in doing that, you're totally isolating yourselves from everybody else. and what happens downstream? this is the big question. this is why so many people right now are saying we are on the verge of seeing an entirely new world order, when we haven't seen constructed since the end of world war two. this is a big time for america, a big time for the world. and we're just going to have to see how this thing all unfolds. and in about seven days, i'm sure you and i will be talking about this again. all right, larry, as always, thanks for your insight. good to see you. almost 53 past the hour on your sunday morning. up next, we have a quick look at our top stories, including that dead pedestrian crash in san jose. we have new information from poleic we're following on this sunday morning, inc

sure the president is keeping an eye on what's happening with ukraine as he keeps another eye on taiwanthis was a total disaster for those of us who believe in american foreign policy where we respect our allies and friends and stand up for democracy and freedom around the world. >> definitely a change in tone from the last administration and we will see how it plays out. as we hope that these conversations come back to the table. senator, always good to see you. thank you for coming in. we appreciate your time. >> shannon: outrage after the department of justice releases documents from the jeffrey epstein case but maybe not for the reasons you might imagine. our sunday panel on that and the possibility of a government shut down days away from the federal government running out of money. next. and its mother are almost inseparable. she lifts her calf to its first breath of air, and then protects it on their long journey. one of the most important things you can do is help the next generation. protect the ones you love with pacific life's trusted financial solutions. talk to a financial

be assured president xi is keeping 1 eye on what's happening integrators he keeps another eye on taiwanotal disaster for those of us who believe in american foreign policy will re- respect our allies and our friends and we stand up for democracy and freedom around the world. shannon: is deafly a change in time for the last administration will see how plays out as we hope these conversations come back to the table. senator, always good to see you thank you for coming in. we appreciate your time. outraged after the department of justice releases documents from the jeffrey epstein case. but maybe not for the reasons you might imagine% a panel on that and the possibility of a government shutdown. just day so if the federal government running out of money. they are next. hey, buddy, you leading lent on hallow this year? you bet brother. stay prayed up. yeah, you know it. hey, father. you joining lent again this year? of course. alright father. sister. you joining us again on the app this year, right? i am mark. i love it. hey, chris. yo. what's up? mark? you want to join us on hallow this ye

look, if if xi jumping ever decides to militarily take taiwan, it will be green berets behind enemy lines in the foxhole and it's not necessarily we're matching shoulders, you know, soldier to soldier pulling triggers. it's we're facilitating the close air support that communications networks, perhaps even the medical evacuation, those critical enablers that that often are lacking in lesser trained armies, they're often very good at pulling triggers and blowing things up. it's kind of pulling it all together from the command and control standpoint, where our green berets can really have strategic value and they can help kick in doors, too, if need be. another classic mission was in colombia in the 1990s and plan colombia, where just again, a few dozen working by within through the colombian military not only helped train them but help guide them in their targeting and their strategy and their tactics and defeated the the farc socialist and narco insurgency also took down the medellin cartel that at that time was threatening to turn colombia into a narco state. those were kind of the class

as president xi is watching very closely as he thinks about his next steps vis a vis taiwan, his next steps vis a vis our allies and partners in the pacific, with whom he has territorial disputes. these lessons will be learned. they will be internalized by autocrats and despots around the world. >> mhm. and the trump administration and his allies, some of whom i've talked to today, have said they make the argument. nobody else on earth can broker this deal. no one else on earth can get everybody to come to the table and try to get a peace deal, that this is just kind of how it has to go to get to peace. do you agree with that assessment? >> jessica, i think we have to define peace. um, virtually any american president could impose peace on these parties if peace entails surrender. if peace entails, um, essentially a ceasefire telling the russians, telling the ukrainians, stop fighting. stop where you are, lay down your arms. i think we have to think of a ceasefire as tantamount to surrender. that is because a ceasefire is not the same thing as a just peace, a just peace that distingui

um, you know, china is now looking and watching to see what happens as it looks at taiwan and other other moves. it might potentially make. maybe that emboldens china as well. if you're russia, this is doing far more than just what's happening in ukraine. >> oh, that is very true. i mean, if you look at the immediate issue, you know, ukraine, that is one thing that president putin has really kind of obsessed about for years and years. so that's number one. but it's ukraine is part of an even bigger, uh, play that russia has, which is and it's happening right now. improve relations, get back on track, have a reset with the united states, get back at the at the world table deciding things be one of its. they can't be a superpower. there's no way. but they can be kind of, you know, as influential as they wanted to be. and as putin definitely wants to be. and then the ramifications of this are really broad, you know, what happens to europe, for europe, economically, militarily, et cetera. not to mention, as you mentioned, china and china is watching very carefully, actually kind of, you know,

looking at this in how they're going to one day, you know, handle the situation as they view it with taiwanf they don't think we can stick together with our allies, that might be all they need to take the next steps. >> this is such an important point. the europeans are also moving forward with trying to come up with a plan without the united states leaving, leading it, which is also something significant to watch. let me ask you, because part of what needs to happen here is there needs to be bipartisan support in congress in order to provide additional assistance. senator graham is another senator who has long been a strong supporter of ukraine, who is critical even of the obama administration. when i was working for them of not doing more. he came out and essentially ran to the cameras and called for zelensky to resign. what do you make of that? and are you how disappointed are you? >> very disappointed. surprised it happened. lindsey graham has always been a big defender of ukraine, as obviously john mccain was. and they were very close and they worked on a lot of this stuff together. an

happiest person right now, because he is getting a green light to go ahead and potentially invade taiwan, which could very well lead to world war three in the pacific. the stakes are incredibly high. >> he offered this type of economic. >> partnership that would. >> that would. >> not only help the. >> united states, because we are in desperate need. of critical minerals to compete with. china for the things that we need here, semiconductors and other other things. but, um, he was offering a way. out for ukraine, and that is so incredibly important, i think. i think it was a missed opportunity. quite frankly, from president zelenskyy. >> the public falling out between presidents trump and zelenskyy drew strong reactions from around the world. as ben hunt reports, most people were absolutely stunned by what they saw. >> and do you. >> think that it's respectful? i will answer. >> it's the now infamous. >> meeting that has many people taking sides. >> but. >> there has been one almost universal. reaction to the dustup between trump, his vice president, and zelenskyy. and that's shock in uk

result in hemispheric security would be a counterproduction and will remain aimed and controlling taiwan for the foreseeable future. more pressing concerns involve vulnerabilities introduced by chinese made equipment and software embedded port systems and even in facilities not owned or operated by chinese firms rely on p.r.c. made technologies, ship to shore cranes. under beijing's highly quiztive data regime and high levels of control over p.r.c. firms, these systems enable intelligence collection and surveillance and may cause delay or disruption to u.s. transport systems. four recommendations follow from these findings. first, while the presence of chinese investments and equipment in u.s. ports presents some material risks, indiscriminate force divestiture would do more harm than good and focus should be on implementing stringent and mandatory cybersecurity and other security screening in developing viable alternatives to technologies and services currently dominated by p.r.c. firms. and u.s. terminal concessions are less problematic from a national security standpoint but should be

meanwhile, chinese military aircraft buzz the skies near taiwan almost daily. washington is consumed with other matters, from ukraine in the middle east to budget cuts at the pentagon, china keeps pressing. the exercises, while relatively brief, highlight that china's military reach is likely to keep growing, regardless of whether the trump ultimately tries to confront china or pull it into some kind of deal. just a few minutes left. let's hear from sharon in south carolina, line for republicans. good morning. caller: no, i'm on the line for democrats. anyway, the comment that i want to make is, that the meeting yesterday, it was appalling. it was disgusting for trump and vance to carry on and bring out the way they were. president zelenskyy was there to make peace. he was there to get some questions answered and to get some clarification. that's what he was therefore. and my thing is, and i want to ask the previous guest that you had, why isn't putin there at the meeting? why isn't he they are to answer these questions, him and zelenskyy get together, and put

last year when president biden signed a trade deal with taiwan, we worked together as a committee to ratify that agreement. and when the bill passed, chairman jason smith stated what's particularly encouraging about this legislation is that it represents a bipartisan effort to reassert congress's constitutional authority. i hope that republicans still have an interest in reasserting congress's authority. if so, i'd welcome the chance to work together. thank you, mr. chairman, and i yield back. >> thank you. now recognize mr. hood for 5 minutes. thank you, mr. chairman, and i want to thank our witnesses for your valuable testimony today, ambassador dowd and ambassador gerri, welcome back. thanks for your prior service and thanks for this really impactful conversation today on trade. i want to address my comments regarding digital trade. i'm the current co-chair of the digital trade caucus, and i've become alarmed by the growing spread of restrictive and oftentimes discriminatory digital regulatory frameworks and laws which have a direct negative impact on. us competitiveness and mr. m

meanwhile, chinese military aircraft buzz the skies near taiwan almost daily.le washington is consumed with other matters, from ukraine in the middle east to budget cuts at the pentagon, china keeps pressing. the exercises, while relatively brief, highlight that china's military reach is likely to keep growing, regardless of whether the trump ultimately tries to confront china or pull it into some kind of deal. just a few minutes left. let's hear from sharon in south carolina, line for republicans. good morning. caller: no, i'm on the line for democrats. anyway, the comment that i want to make is, that the meeting yesterday, it was appalling. it was disgusting for trump and vance to carry on and bring out the way they were. president zelenskyy was there to make peace. he was there to get some questions answered and to get some clarification. that's what he was therefore. and my thing is, and i want to ask the previous guest that you had, why isn't putin there at the meeting? why isn't he they are to answer these questions, him and zelenskyy get together, and pu