gay talese doesn't sound like he's one of your favorites from reading this. if he was ... >> guest: i have always thought that gay is a male chauvinist. again, a friend. we are civil to one another, but i sat right in front of gay in the city room. we were of that same generation and gay talese is a very macho, southern italian man. you know, when he had two daughters, i had the feeling he was going to sort of leave them out on the hillside like, you know, ancient sicilians or something. gay is one of those that i think is -- and never been comfortable around women. i know this, you know. finds it a little -- he's more comfortable in male company. c-span: there's a ... >> guest: and he said that and he wrote that. c-span: there's an awful lot we can talk about -- and, as you see, i'm jumping all over the place ... >> guest: it's ok. c-span: ... because i wanted you to explain all these little things. you can read the book and get the whole story on the suit. >> guest: yes. c-span: other things -- grandpa. >> guest: my grandpa? c-span: meant a lot to you. >> g