and joining me is that talia an independent ukrainian journalist. good to speak with you. give me some perspective here. we see these scenes of what is going on in independent square, and tell us how localized compared to how widespread these protests and demonstrations are in the capitol of kiev. >> to give you the context, something like that is happening for the first time in the ukraine history since the independence. people are absolutely shocked, and they don't know how to respond because nobody could dare to imagine that the police with the full force woul would e such immense violence. but this night the people try to find the shield in the center of the city where was always the camp of the protesters. for hours and hours and yes, the protester fight back with what they can, an we know that so far according for instance, 20 people killed, 500 injured. it's also very complicated because it is localized. but the people try to find shelter, and it's kind of the symbol. it's the only place where people can feel secure from the police and from the thugs, and they attac