the taliban is not monolithic. here we tend to equate taliban with al qaeda.they are not the same there are elements that would support al qaeda in wanting to attack the united states and other elements but they interested in having a say in the government in afghanistan. we have to stop treating them as monolithic way as a single threat two as if they are a threat to the united states of america proper. they are not. we have to live with less than perfect in terms of what happens in afghanistan and i also think we have to be willing to concede at this point* that what is left of al qaeda weather coming across the border in afghanistan i saw a news report that supposedly even bin laden found his way across the border into afghanistan periodically. it is not the same al qaeda that attacked us on 9/11. been lauded in particular does not have operational control over a group that has global reach that can attack the united states. our larger problem is not osama bin laden the larger problem is the ideal at -- ideologically of radical islam that has seeped into th

he overlaps the alaeda, the ghan taliban and the pakistan taliban. even more so the paktan taliban is ao a network of networks so under e previous leader whwas actually killed in a dne strike in august t was really hd to argue that the organization o was a coherent as pele said. in fact ey were really clear in tir mission that they were going aftethe pakistani ste. and going after the armyor working with the united states. now the new leader masoud far more brutal ifne can imagine that thehaki mullah is vigorously anti-shi'a which is why under cki mew la. pakistan talib have gone afr these anti- -- these shi'a, vehemtly antihi'a. >> suarez:et's talk more about the brutality. cause now there seems to be an appetite, a willingneson the part of the taliban in pakisn to target and kill large numbers of civilians. shi'a as y mentioned but also the generalun of humanity in maetplaces. >>ut it's not new. th is the interesting thing. suicide bombings have be aroundn pakistan for a ile. what iinteresting about the pakiani taliban is that we always focus othe

how are children brainwashed into taking up the fight for the taliban?e find some clues just a 15-minute drive from a pakistani military base in south waziristan, a volatile area that until recently was a stronghold of the taliban. after three days of fierce fighting, the pakistani military took over this compound. they say that they knew that it was a training facility of sorts for suicide bombers. they suspected that maybe children were involved. what they didn't know or realize was the level of indoctrination. the military says it learned that the taliban used this compound to brainwash boys as young as 12 years old. perhaps as many as 300 of them. the children were told that images like this is what awaited them in heaven. here, for example, we're told is a river that symbolizes milk and honey on its banks, virgins and heavenly creatures. this picture shows a home similar to those in this area but set against a lush backdrop, written across it, "long live the taliban of the mountains." >> but i have never seen this kind of elaborate painting about so

is previous rule by the taliban. there's nothing dwight like being ruled for them to have a negative view of them and consistently by the way, 7% -- the taliban usually gets a 7% 5ble rating in polls that have been conducted back to 2005. who is the biggest threat to your expiewrt? 58% say the taliban. only 8% say the united states. what's your -- is the national government doing a good job? in 2009, 71% said yes. was it mostly good -- i think again, according to the bbc, was it mostly good or very good that the united states overthrew the taliban, this is last year. 69% say yes. the final and perhaps most astonishing figure, what's your view of the united states military, this is last year again from the bbc, 63% strongly support or somewhat support the u.s. military in afghanistan, so i think those numbers are very important when we make -- when we have this discussion. the afghans want this to work, they're not opposed to international forces. by the way, exactly the same organizations routinely also poll in pakis

he said what he actually did when he got to pakistan is went to the taliban, joined the taliban and told him what these intelligence agencies sent him there to do and then plotted this attack against the american cia base in afghanistan. then he shared a very clear warning for the cia and for the jordanian intelligence that somebody like him who has so much faith in god cannot be bought off, as he said, by millions of dollars. we have no idea if that is the real amount of money that he may or may not have been offered to help fight down al qaeda, but this, he said, was his answer to the united states to jordanian intelligence. also, we can see in this videotape that is sitting next to the current head of the pakistani taliban, and he said this attack was in part revenge for the u.s. in a drone attack last year killing the pakistani taliban leader at that time. so a multiple message here and another part of the message that's very, very clear is just how important the taliban have come in these sort of al qaeda-type operations here, taking this arab doctor and the taliban essentially bein

that's not surprising because they have had previous rule by the taliban. 0e7 taliban usually gets %t. who is the threat to your security, 8% say the united states and 82% say the taliban. is the government doing a good job? in 2009 71% said yes. and was it mostly good, again, according to the bbs, was it mostly good or very good that the united states overthrew the taliban. this is last year. 69% say yes. the final and perhaps most astonishing figure, what is your view of the united states military? this is last year, from the bbs. 63% strongly support or somewhat support the u.s. military in afghanistan. i think those numbers are important when we have this discussion. the after fans want this to work. they're not opposed to international imposes -- the same organizations routinely also poll in pakistan. to those that say you can't trust polling data in afghanistan, the same organizations poll in afghanistan and consistently find it to be one of the most anti-american countries in the world. i believe both. i think pakistan is anti-american consistently and afghanistan remains, num

its knowledge and resources to the pakistani taliban and the pakistani taliban will provide the manpower -- the footsoldiers as well as the logistical support on a regular basis to al qaeda. >> reporter: that collaboration between al qaeda and taliban on both sides of the border is what worries u.s. officials the most. they're asking for help from the pakistanis. until they get that help, american soldiers will be danger. david. >> nick, thank you. >>> we turn to robin wright now. robin, you heard the threat there, this is revenge for the drone attack that killed their leader. we know of seven drone attacks. since the attack on that cia outpost. one more today. these drone attacks will continue. what do you make of that threat? >> well, clearly the united states is sending a strong message to the taliban, getting a bit of its own revenge. but the reality is that the united states has to rely on these advanced predators against a force that has no air force of its own. no advanced artillery and no satellite intelligence. and eight years after this conflict began the united states is havin

taliban continues to put up a fight. as recently as last week taliban leaders accused nato forces of defiling the koran, a charge that led to major pr protests. and this monday the taliban demonstrated its lethalty when it launched an attack against the government in kabul. our commitment and our partners has given afganistan and its government a chance to succeed. while ultimate success is far from certain, everyone is impressed by the quality of those sent to afganistan. pakistan must do its part. the ultimate success of our mission in afganistan depends upon the continued efforts of the government of pakistan to fight extremist networks in the tribal areas. over the last year pakistan has waged aggressive campaigns in the swat valley and south wasterus stand and needing with the afganistan chief of staff and the prime minister we concluded that their national interest will be served in defeating the pakistani taliban. still action against the leadership of the afghan taliban harbor just across the border in neighborin

when the local afghans say "taliban," they may be describing the taliban. it could also be a local criminal network or an al qaeda cell. the afghans call everyone taliban whether they are actually taliban or not. >> it does me no good to fix the store or have these windows fixed if the bomb blows up. if you are looking through the window of the place that they put in a bomb, you should understand that if you see that, you should tell somebody. at this mosque, the army decided that they were not going to help this mosque until the elders turned in the local bad guys. that is the point of providing these kits. it is a carrot. entice the afghans with a gift. there is a condition. the condition is that you have to be on our side. you can see the elders mulling over the decision. it is not a small thing to go in and turn in a taliban team. these are scary guys. >> i am sure they have a valid point. the mosque did look damaged by the ied. it is a trade. they have to trade as information about what happens on the roads in front of the mosque. otherwise, it will be

and then leave the afghans to fend for themselves when the taliban return. our troops understand and embrace this people-centered approach. as british major general nick carter, commander of the coalition forces of the south, said -- "if we show confidence and mutual trust, the population will look after us." the afghan people are more optimistic than they have been in the recent past. a recent abc news survey found that 70% of the afghans polled said that afghanistan is headed in the right direction. a significant jump from a year ago. over 60% of afghans expect that their children will have a better life. the taliban remain extremely unpopular, and 68% of afghans continue to support the presence of our troops in their country. i have long been convinced that our principal mission in afghanistan should be training the afghan security forces, and that drove my belief that we should not focus on adding more u.s. combat forces except where we needed to -- need it to train, equip, and support afghan security forces. as i put it when the president was considerin

are drug users around the world funding the taliban? >>> welcome to the program. i'm christiane amanpour. and today we explore the way opium fuels the insurgency in afghanistan and beyond. we'll speak to the top international drug official, and to a journalist who's seen firsthand the taliban's relationship with drug money. >>> plus, we have a searing look at the sale of daughters and wives in india. we talk to women who are struggling to end this multi-billion dollar slave trade. >>> but first, opium and heroin are fueling the war in afghanistan, and insurgencies around the world, as well as crime and addiction. just listen to these statistics. afghan opium kills more people every year than any other drug. and in nato countries every year, heroin from the afghan poppy fields kills five times more users than all the nato troops who's died fighting the afghan war over the last eight years. the u.n.'s top drug enforcement official told me that the taliban is much more involved in every aspect of the drug trade than previously thought. joining me now, antonio maria c

they are the majority of taliban. the hard-liner, the leadership of taliban, either they are the part of the fighter or not. they have their own business. they are not ready to work with each other. we have to encourage them for we constellation. some members of today are in the parliament of afghanistan and also they begin a peaceful life. this is the responsibility of government because the effort to bring stability and peace in afghanistan is not only to reach with the military toll. we have to have a comprehensive strategy with the reconstruction and the peace element and also negotiation with all those elements that they are ready to put down the arms. this is the responsibility of afghanistan. they are in the majority in the resurgence. >> a question for the foreign secretary. when the prime minister announced this conference would take place, they would agree on the process of transferriton to afghan forces. -- the transition to afghan forces. he also said the five provinces would be under afghan responsibility

and the cia is not confirming the taliban's claims. well, the attack said to be one of the deadliest in cia history and happened at operating base in the province southeast of the afghan capital of kabul. cia george little telling the associated press, there is much about the attack that isn't yet known, this much is clear, the cia's resolved to pursue aggressive counterterrorism operations is greater than ever. well, tonight we are learning new details about how the bomber got on to the base, the mistakes that led to the security breach, connor powell reporting from the afghan capital of kabul, connor? >> gregg, the cia was apparently in the process of trying to court the individual who tried to attack bob chapman to bring him in as an intelligence source, now, because the cia was trying to woo him, they allowed him to come on to the base without being checked by security, and that was how he was actually able to bring the bomb on to the base. now, i'm told the cia often tried to build up trust and gain a relationship with informants,

taliban led insurgency. it is building at the same time the capacity of the afghan forces who are fighting alongside this. a civilian surge is ensuring that the military forces clear areas of caliban and their civilization -- -- taliban has civilization seems to hold the ground that is being gamed. britain is proud that we need the civilian provincial reconstruction team in afghanistan. we doubled the number of british civilian experts in 2009. secretary clinton has announced a america is the tripling the number of american civilian deployed prevent i urge other countries to follow this lead. i have described our strategy as one of afghanization, building up the afghan institutions, the army coming the police, so that as it becomes stronger, we can handle the responsibility of tackling somterrorism. it'll take time. i believe that the conditions set up can be backed sooner than many expect. the process of district by district will start later this year. this will not signal an end. i know none of us want to

there's nothing -- to be ruled by the taliban. 7% -- the taliban usually gets its 7% favorable rating in polls going back to 2005. is the national government doing a good job? in 2009, 71% said yes. was it mostly good or very good, according to the bbc, that the united states over through the taliban? last year, 69% said yes. perhaps the most astonishing figure, what is your view of the united states military? this is last year from the bbc. 63% stronger -- strongly support or somewhat support the united states in afghanistan. the afghans want this to work. they are not opposed to international forces. by the way, exactly the same organizations routinely also pull in pakistan and to those who say you cannot trust polling data in afghanistan, exec with the same organizations routinely pulled in pakistan and consistently find it to be one of the most anti-american countries in the world. i believe both polls. i believe pakistan is a pretty anti-american country. we are conducting a counterinsurgency in afghanistan. it was the is central doctrine in afghanistan? it is the gravity of the

some elements of taliban were omitted from the groups. do you think that some of these elements would be invited to this reintegration of -- to kabul -- taliban? >> you're right that iran's foreign minister was invited to this conference in the same way as the foreign ministers of all the other countries. for some inexplicable reasons he chose not to attend. on the occasions when i met him, he has talked to me about the damage and danger that instability in afghanistan poses to iran and talked to me about the damage and danger of drugs coming from afghanistan to iran. that's one reason among a number why we thought it was right to invite iran to participate in this conference, just lick any other country. we think it is deeply regrettable as well as inexplicable that they failed to attend, even that the ambassador to iran, to london, who was invited to attend conference if the doctor was unable to attend also found it impossible to attend the conference. i think it is very important to n international relations that countries say what the

the taliban claimed responsibility for it, saying the bomber was aiming at a civilian convoy. it comes just over a week after taliban gunmen launched an assault on kabul that brought the capital city to a standstill. the los angeles city council gave final approval to close most shops that sell medical marijuana. there are currently between 800 and a thousand pot clinics operating across l.a. but under the new rules, that number will be capped at 70. mayor antonio villaraigosa still has to give his approval for the ordinance to take effect. on wall street today, stocks made early gains, but those faded in the closing minutes of trading. the dow jones industrial average lost more than two points to close at 10, 194. the nasdaq fell seven points to close over 2,203. former republican senator charles mathias has died at his home in maryland of complications from parkinson's disease. mathias represented the state of maryland for 26 years in both the house and senate until his retirement in 1987.

heavily armed and dug into tunnels, the taliban resisted fiercely. we advanced no more than 100 or 150 yards over a four-day period. today the marines are in a much more mundane mission. they're here to check up on the progress of this irrigation canal. because garmsir has since become for many u.s. commanders a model of counterinsurgency success. what's worked? first, withering attacks by u.s. and british forces eventually drove out the taliban, creating a security bubble of some 50 square miles. >> that fighting is very important to establish what we have here today. if that hadn't happened, there's no way we would have the bazaars as busy as it is now. >> reporter: soon, local farmers were growing subsidized wheat and corn and not poppy. while in the city, jobs returned with increased security. ali john, a taxi driver from garmsir, couldn't find a customer for over a year. now he says he has plenty of work. but the marines have no illusion about the relative peace here. less than five miles to the south, the taliban continue to plant lethal roadsi

the taliban right now, they're definitely not the taliban of ten years ago. the taliban of ten years ago was particularly under one leader, mullah omar. if you look at different parts of afghanistan, you have different leaders basically in charge of different taliban organizations. in the west of the country, you have criminal gangs. in the south, you still have mullah omar, who is the basic leader, and then towards the east you have a person named haqani, the one who is many believe are behind this boeming in that american base that killed those seven cia agents. what's also interested about this is the father was actually a mujahideen fighter against the soviets in the 1980s, and, get this, he was actually funded by the cia through the pakistani intelligence. richard? >> 7:37 in kabul, afghanistan weather the latest on the shock. thank you. >>> when president obama gets back to washington next week, it is back to the grind on health care. >> that's right. it's just one of many big issues that's shaped his first year in office, but senior white house corresp

this is much easier than defeating the taliban. now that we are in afghanistan, what is our goal there? our goal is threefold, and they are all political. one is to provide security. second is to help develop a good government company and third, to stimulate their economy. in terms of security, i believe the surge will increase security, and perhaps it will temporarily prevent a civil war within afghanistan. in terms of good government -- what do i mean by good government? is administration to provide justice, something the taliban did fairly well, which is why i have some familiarity. the only faint they do not like the taliban, but they like the lack of corruption common -- corruption, so it is to provide justice and decrease the nepotism you find that is sterilizing any local initiatives. unfortunately for us, this is of to the afghans to do. we cannot impose our institutions from atop. from my own experience with the afghans, and i was in contact very intensively for three years -- you realize the limits of your car with them.

the afghan taliban in pakistan.elieve that and i believe there's progress there. in fact it's a reality that there is a threat to pakistan from the afghan taliban. but i don't believe that the pakistan government has yet moved to that point and frankly, i think it's a source of some conjecture or speculation among many people as to whether they u)s& and to what extent they will begin taking action against the afghan, taliban. i agree with everything mike said and want to ad one point to the extent both pakistan and afghanistan believe we're going to be there and not begin to exit in the summer of 2011, the attractiveness of ignoring the taliban in pakistan goes down. >> earlier you said, the general you sat down with, was - had a lawyer with him to answer the question abouá the tension policy. detention policy. would you tell us who the general is and is that at all unusual? are- >> i'm not going to tell you who bully tell you that from all the way up and down the chain, we ask the question about this detainee issue

>> reporter: well, it's been disseminated by the pakistani taliban. the leader of the pakistani taliban is sitting next to the alleged bomber and killer of the cia operatives in afghanistan. we've talked to the family. they say it is definitely him. but the message is a direct putdown to jordanian intelligence and the cia because the doctor felt directly that he is not about to sell his faith. and this is a clear indication that perhaps these intelligence agencies have thought they'd bought him off. he's telling them that's not the case. what's very interesting here is that according to the family, the doctor had become very angry and radicalized, if you will, over what had happened in gaza. yet here we see him on this videotape saying that the bombing act is about to carry out is an act of vengeance for the u.s. drone strike and killing of the pakistani taliban leader last year. it seems quite strange. but that's what he says in this video. >> translator: we will never forget the blood of our leader. may god have mercy on his soul. it will remain we

it is pakistan taliban or afghan taliban, and a greater level of cooperation between the pakistan government and the afghanistan government would be in everybody's best interest. the threats to both regimes are both -- are quite similar. >> the top intelligence official in afghanistan delivered a pretty scathing internal critique of the intelligence operations there. did you see or received any assurances that that has been turned around? >> say that again. >> he delivered a pretty scathing review of intelligence efforts in afghanistan recently. did you know about this critique and did you get any assurances that it is being turned around? >> i do not recall. anybody have an observation about that? i really do not have anything to say about that. >> in your conversations with various officials about the pervasive corruption and how much that is interfering with efforts to turn anything around? >> it is a problem. it is a problem in a lot of places in the world, as you know. afghanistan is not unique in that regard. i think officials at the top understand that ultimately to have the kind of g

it shows jordanian doctor humam abu al balawi sitting next to the head of the pakistani taliban.was reportedly working for the cia, but as the video now confirms, al balawi was a double agent working for the taliban. here is cnn's international correspondent nic robertson. >> reporter: until this video came out, all that was known was that this jordanian doctor, dr. balawi, had gone to afghanistan and said he could provide them with information, jordanians brought the cia on to help them verify that information. what is said in this video makes it very, very clear. he was working as a double agent. when he got to pakistan, he said he went straight to the taliban, told them about the cia and the jordanian intelligence and planned this attack against the cia. he says very, very clearly in this video that it shows that money cannot buy off somebody's faith, somebody's faith in their god. he said he -- he implies he was offered millions of dollars. not clear if that is true, but that he said that is not enough to put a man from supporting his god and that was a very clear message. we

the old afghan taliban, the pakistan taliban, this is not a monolith. al qaeda is a very small part of a much larger some ticket. it has no central direction. it has various agendas. one thing stands up, they cooperate with each other on a practical level. so far none of them have been willing to turn on high-value target number one. in the last year and a half, starting under the bush administration, which deserves credit for building a program, we have began to put significant pressure on al qaeda and pakistan through the use of the drones. the obama administration has escalated the use of the germans. it is about -- on the board of the drones to about one attack a week. the al qaeda core is far from defeated. they remain agile, resilient, and they remain deadly. if the operation was the work of a triple agent, as many now seem to think, triple agent operations are an extraordinarily complex and difficult. this demonstrates the enemy we are dealing with is a very sophisticated and deadly one. i will not spend a lot of time on the situation of afghanis

forces, the taliban can still plan and execute attacks at will.retired colonel david lamb, the former chief of staff of coalition operations in afghanistan, said even though just a dozen people died, the damage is far greater. >> if you're taliban and your tactic is to show that to this rather inept government that they can't parts inside the capitol from a psychological perspective it's a worrisome attack snis a spokesman in kabul prasesed their afghan counterpart for acting aggressively to contain the attacks. >> at the end, it demonstrates by the way the afghan national security forces are dealing with the operation, they still can deliver the experience that they have to be able to deal with the event. to charge and neutralize the insurgents into to bring security back to kabul. >> warner: but lamb said the fact that the afghans hadn't been able to neutralize the attackers before they struck, despite intelligence warnings, was worrisome. >> they reacted while. but their intelligence prep and their ability to interdict this attack was less than

this is a corridor that taliban and taliban allies have been using to come from pakistan over into afghanistanthe u.s. decides let's go up in there and -- interfere with their movements. >> than kind of a supply route they are trying to block. >> yeah. it is a corridor their using to -- in the -- americans want to get in and make it more difficult for them. >> july 13th, the day of the attack, what happened. >> a lot of foreboding. one of the commander of the platoon told his best friend i think we are going get messed up. he didn't use that term. messed up badly up will. he was right. right at dawn, at about 4:20 a.m., a volley of perhaps 200 rocket propelled grenades started coming in on them. very well done, soft its dated. the taliban crept up close because they didn't have enough troops to put out patrols up there because they were so busy building their base. the taliban fighters crept up close and aimed their propelled grenades at exactly the right targets. the heavy weapons. the anti-tank rocket launcher, 50-caliber machine gun. they knew what they were doing. take out the heavy weapon

in this operation, a pakistani taliban flag operation. nevertheless, the outcome very, very deadly, and it's according to analysts here certainly going to mean a re-evaluation for intelligence operatives in the region about how they operate and how they can trust the people they're using to run down al qaeda, betty. >> along with the bombing suspect in that video, if we can pull it up for our viewers, there was another man in there, and it's important to note who he is. talk to us about him. >> reporter: yeah. he's mehsud, the head of the pakistani taliban, the ppp. baitullah mehsud, who was killed last year, the one who al balawi says he is avenging his death. what you're looking at here is the head of a big taliban organization repeatedly perhaps as many as 20,000 loyal fighters following him, not sure that he can call on all of them at the same time, but a man heading a big taliban operation. and now it seems sort of acting really in concert with al qaeda. almost as sort of a front operation for al qaeda, getting operatives like dr. al

this is a corridor taliban and taliban allies have been using to come from pakistan over into afghanist afghanistan. the u.s. decides, let's go up in there and interfere with their movements. now -- >> kind of a supply route that they're trying to block? >> yeah. it's a corridor they're using to come -- the americans want to get in there and make it more difficult for them. >> then july 13th, day of the attack, what happens? >> they had a lot of foreboding. in fact, one of the commanders of the platoon told his best friend, i think we're going to get messed up. though he didn't use that term. messed up badly up there. he was right. right at dawn at about 4:20 a.m. there, a volley of, perhaps, 200 rocket-propelled grenades started coming in on them. very well done. very sophisticated. the taliban had crept up close because they didn't have enough troops to put up patrols up there. the taliban fighters had crepted up close and aimed rocket-propelled grenades at the heavy weapons, the anti-tank rocket launcher. the 50 caliber machine gun. they knew what they were going. take out the heavy

the afghan people are pleased to be free of the taliban. and be freed them from the taliban.at -- and we freed them from the taliban in 2001. they are pleased by that. and the taliban there is declining, well under 10% at this point. and the afghan people have been generally supportive of the united states. when i was there, i would get great welcome in almost all of the country. that level of support has declined. it is still well above 50%. it is well above 50% of the afghan people who support and appreciate what the americans and the international community are trying to do in afghanistan. it is still a supportive environment that we face there. it has taken time and there are afghans who have lost brothers, lost fathers, and have a bad feeling about some americans. those are in the minority at this point. if we succeed, will be able to leave theire proud and instruct -- with the strong support of the afghan people. host: james on the independent line. caller: i would like to know why nobody talks about hamid karzai sitting on the board of unocal with congressman -- with c

. >>> a chilling new video from the taliban. what it tells us about the attack that killed seven people at a cia outpost. >>> the kiss that closed an airport terminal. police think they found the man in newark who triggered the six-hour security problem. >>> two men are under arrest in connection with a new york terror plot. one of them is a new york city tab drooifr. he was arraigned yesterday. the other is a bosnian immigrant. susan candiotti is live from new york. >> reporter: hello, fredricka. through his attorney and from his own father, both say that the man who is accused of an act of conspiracy and terrorist actor is not guilty. the government says otherwise. today, a grand jury, it was announced, charged two counts, two charges of acts against the country. involving a man by the name of adis medunjanin, charged with conspiracy to commit murder outside the united states as well as getting military training from al qaeda. he has pleaded not guilty to both of the charges. the government indictment alleges that this alleged

despite all the turmoil and the taliban and we're able to do that because of our relationships. i haven't told you this but we've this year established the first girl high schools in four new prove vens -- provinces in afghanistan. these are the first girls high schools. only able to do that because we had the relationships with the people. so it another been a very exciting year for us. >> that sounds very excite sqig think back and i know we're going to go to break in about three minutes. when you first came down from k2 after what you called the failure and i think you say that now as definitely a milestone in your life that turned into something great. but you met a man. hachblg -- haji ali. if it weren't for him i wonder if that relationship was the key to it all. definitely sounds like a mythical, magical figure in your life. and somebody willing to cultivate this relationship where the whole "three cups of tea" came out of and i wondered if it weren't for haji ali if this would have happened. you lost him shortly in 2001 i believe he passed what he would be thinking today

guest: the taliban is not a government, not monolithic. it is various constituents with different motivations and reasons for being in this fight. we need to find different motivations and reasons to take them out of the fight. money, believe me, can help. we employed money in iraq as the awakening too cold. we offered jobs to young iraqis who may have been actually in the fight against a set one time. money to do things in the fight against us. money to do things in the civilian sector and money to served as armed elements under iraqi and u.s. control. that would be in the fight against former allies. so again, reconciliation doesn't take place with your friends it takes place with your enemies and economic incentives can have a lot to do with reconciliation. >> host: general mike stanley to the cause stanley and mcchrystal said i think any afghan can play with the focus on the future and not on the past. what does he mean? >> guest: i think it's important to look the past precisely to understand what general mcchrystal may have met. afgh

it will always be present. >> what does it say that the taliban was essentially able to infiltrate the cia, isn't it supposed to be the other way around? >> well, it's not a question of infiltrating, what they did is, they met this asset inside the base. they were worried about an ambush. normally, an officer would go out and meet one-on-one an agent like this. you can't do tt any longer in afghanistan because you would be kidnapped. they brought the guy in, where there was some sort of protection. >> bob, if you're stationed overseas right now, what's going through your head? >> i would be very reluctant as a case officer to go out anywhere in afghanistan including kabul, to meet a source like this, and i think what's going to happen, we're going to know, less and less about the country rather than more simply we have been cut off from the people. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >>> in denmark, police shot a somali man who they said was trying to kill a controversial cartoonist. his portrayal of muhammad triggered protests in 2005. the cartoonist survived by hiding in a special

it is pakistan taliban or afghan taliban. cooperation between the pakistan government and afghan government would be in everybody's best interest. it strikes us that the threat to both regimes are quite similar. >> the official in afghanistan delivered a hard internal critique. did you seek or receive any assurance that it was being turned around? he delivered a scathing review of intelligence efforts in afghanistan recently. did you know about this? they do give any assurances that it was being turned around? >> i do not recall. anybody have an observation? i really do not have anything to say about that. >> was there any conversation about the pervasive corruption and how much that is interfering with efforts to turn anything around? >> it is a problem. it is a problem in a lot of the places in the world. afghanistan is not unique. i think that officials at the top understand that you ultimately have the kind of government they think is enjoying the conference of the people. this is going to have to be combat it head on. be

when local afghans say taliban, they might actually be describing the taliban, but it could also just be a local crim network or the -- actually, al-qaeda style, afghans call everybody taliban, whether they're taliban or not. >> does me no good to fix this doctor or have these windows fixed if the bomb blows up. if you're looking at the place where they put the bomb, when you see them putting the bomb, you should tell somebody. [speaking in foreign language] >> at this mosque, the army decided that they weren't going to help this mosque until the elders at that mosque turned in the local bad guys, which is sort of the whole point of providing these mosque kits. it's a carrot. you entice the afghans with this gift, but there's a condition. the condition is, you have to be on our side. and you can see that the elders -- you can see them sort of mulling over that decision. it's not a small thing to turn in a taliban team. these are scary guys. >> i'm sure they have a valid point. their mosque was damaged by the ied, but it's a trade. you have to trade up, information about what happens i

the afghan government has invited the taliban to take part this year. does the u.s. specifically support this invitation and do you think the invitation should include top taliban leadership as long as they renounce ties to al qaeda? does the u.s. have any plans to contribute funds beyond the military phones you have mentioned to the reintegration fund that the japanese are helping to establish? do you feel this reconciliation process represents the first point in a real road map toward ending the conflict in afghanistan? >> i think that the starting premise is that you do not make peace with her friends. -- with your friends. you have to be engaged with your enemies if you expect to create a situation that ends an insurgency or marginalizes the remaining insurgents also that it does not pose a threat to the stability and security of the people. president karzai announced he would be holding jerka which is a traditional afghan mechanism for trying to reconcile competing views and reach decisions. it was natural for him to say that if they are going to have a peace je

targets to avenge the deaths of the chief of the pakistani taliban.ay, cops arresting a man believed to have breached security at newark's liberty international airport. he's likely to face a trespassing charge. authorities say he breached a secure area to give his girlfriend a goodbye kiss. and in malaysia, a fourth church hit by fire bombs today creating concerns among christians, this comes after three other churches were attacked on friday. >> president obama's making a lot of security changes following the christmas day trer plot and for the most part, republicans are on board with his plans but how long will the support last and will the g.o.p. call for an even tougher approach than the one the president is offering as the senate plans to hold hearings in the next couple of weeks? joining us in washington, gordon jondro, a former security council spokesperson, let me ask you to build a time line for us, what needs to happen now? we've had a series of events, the christmas day one, the new york city terror arrests, the newark incident. we're on h

the pakistani taliban claims it sent a double-crossing operative to bomb the u.s. base.ccording to a senior intelligence official, the u.s. had been courting the afghan bomber as an informant. nbc's jim maceda reporting from kabul, afghanistan, for us today. and jim, as i understand it, the pakistani taliban isn't the only group taking credit for this attack. what can you tell us? >> that's right, chris. not the only one. just the latest one. and it's becoming quite a confusing picture. there are competing claims now, probably for propaganda reasons, but again, they are creating a mess in terms of trying to sort out the identity of this bomber. the first one was what we're calling the cia version. that leaked first from -- former u.s. intelligence officials suggesting that the bomber was actually invited on to base, forward operating base chapman as part of a process of warming him up and turning him into an informant and to gain the trust and confidence of that potential informant, the standard security procedures, frisking, patdowns, heavily guarded gate were foregone.

this comes from the taliban in pakistan. a jordanian doctor believed to have carried out a suicide attack that killed seven cia employees in afghanistan claims revenge is the motive. take a look. >> we'll never forget the blood of our leader, baitullah mehsud. may god have mercy on his soul. we will take revenge for his death in america and outside america. there's a curse on every person. >> you hear them making references to baitullah mehsud, the former leader of the taliban in pakistan. he was killed last summer. nic robertson had been talking with malawi, his family, in amman, jordan. nic, hello to you. it leaves a lot of people scratching their heads that the family is not denying it, not necessarily saying he didn't do it. instead, some are actually proud of it. >> reporter: his wife has said she is proud of him. i spoke to his father a little while ago. he said he was very upset. he said he was upset about the people that had done this to his son. he implied people intentionally brainwashed him. but when we asked him,

they are very aware of the local population and the taliban are always hiding.hey will shoot and then go hide amongst the kids. it is a tough place to be in when your colleagues are taking rounds and the people shooting are hiding amounts the kids. our troops are up there are keenly aware and is terribly important that the act honorably. host: any chance that he will go back? guest: he is actually getting out of the army. he has done six years, two tours. host: brenda from georgia, republican line. caller: i would like to take your boy back to when the british were in afghanistan when russia came into afghanistan from all of these countries got together and were trying to get a hold of the war -- of the oil in afghanistan. they came back that hossein was one of the biggest ones to come into power at this time. and they did all of us try to get a hold of the oil. the united states people need to stop and think, yes, this was about oil, to keep it out of hands of these countries that wanted to get that oil. they need to be thankful to george bush that he had the g

one of them wrote a best-selling book about his experiences with the taliban. -- so this is critically important. this program used to exist on paper, and it was not very successful. but three weeks ago "the washington post" wrote a spew potential front -- superb front page piece on five taliban who decided to come in from the cold and got no support. now they feel like they're trapped in a no man's land. we cannot allow this to happen. when ashley and i visited a year and a half ago as private citizens, we met with five young people who told us the same story, ex-taliban. so president karzai in his inaugural speech on november 19th laid out a policy proposal, and we are focused very much on this. and i think david petraeus, stan mcchrystal and i would all say that this is one of the most important areas that needs to be addressed because nobody believes that the outcome of this war will end with a complete demolishment or killing everybody who fights with the taliban. that's neither possible nor necessary. nor is it in the nature of this sort of war it's not h

guest: the taliban is not a government, not monolithic.arious constituents with different motivations and reasons for being in this fight. we need to find different motivations and reasons to take them out of the fight. money, believe me, can help. we employed money in iraq as the awakening too cold. we offered jobs to young iraqis who may have been actually in the fight against a set one time. money to do things in the civilian sector. money to serve armed elements under iraqi and u.s. control to be in the fight against their former allies. again, reconciliation does not take place with your friends, but rather with your enemies. economic incentives can have a lot to do with reconciliation. host: general stanley mcchrystal has said "i think any afghans can play a role if the focus on the future and not on the past." what does he mean there? guest: it is important to look at the passed precisely to understand what general mcchrystal may have meant. afghanistan's past is one of extraordinary violence and turbulence, not just since 9/11, but

such as that pakistan will be in florida by the taliban if they prevail.t the taliban is more welcome by the afghan people which the admiral reference. >> we know a lot about the process by which these assumptions are formed and articulated in the meetings with the president. they had maybe 10 meetings of the national security group to talk about the surge and other aspects. we were told and great detail about how crisp the meetings were. the president making people state their views. no one could say that their view was not heard. it is less clear whether those assumptions are a joint product. we know that there were differing views about whether to keep a restricted footprint, or surge. at the end of the day the president split the difference. a little heavier on the general mcchrystal side then on the biden side. the assumption is that it would be a disaster to be seem to be cutting and running. therefore, we are there for a while and have to manage our presence. to meet these two contradictory messages. we're not staying, but we're not leaving. there i

the afghan government has invited the taliban to take part of the merger.specifically support to the invitation and do you think that the invitation could or should include top taliban leadership as long as they renounce ties to al qaeda? does the u.s. have any plans to contribute funds be on the military funds to the reintegration find that the japanese are helping to establish? more broadly, do you feel that this reconciliation process represents the first point in a real road map toward ending the conflict in afghanistan? >> i think that the starting premise is that you do not make peace with your friends. you have to be willing to engage with your enemies if you expect to creates a situation that ends an insurgency or so marginalizes the remaining insurgents that it does not pose a threat to the stability and security of the people. the president karzai announced that he would be holding a traditional afghan mechanism for trying to reconcile competing views and reach decisions to take, it was natural for him to say, if you are going to have eight meetin

and because of his background and the presence of the media which was closely associated with the taliban than al qaeda,

nothing in its history suggests the taliban will easily yield.ion forces move in, we expect the fighting to be fierce. and if for some reason they did choose to wait us out, then while they're waiting, we'll be seizing the initiative, securing population centers, training stronger afghan forces and making it harder for the insurgency to return. with the july 2011 date does do, and this is why the president feels it's so important is this, it sends an important signal to the afghan people that we're not interested in waging an enlend war or ok knewing their country, that we want to be their partners and not their patron and it sends a clear and urgent message to the afghan government they will have to take responsibility for their own security in the shortest delay possible. even as we pursue those who threaten us, the president has said we will support efforts by the afghan government to open the door to those taliban who abandon the violence and respect the human rights of their fellow citizens. secondly, on the civilian side, our strategy recog

we know from much information we receive that we have heard the taliban recruiting and we did it by doing this and we did not hurt ourselves at all, because it was accompanied by an integrated plan with general mcchrystal and general petraeus to focus on interdiction and drug czars. some of you may have seen the cnn pieces of the explosions, the drug paraphernalia. we are heavily focused interagency effort to go after the traffickers, the big drug lords. two of them are about to stand trial i think in the u.s.. this isn't about controversy and we interviewed a lot of people in this but i'm glad to say the head of the united nations drug organization called it a correct and courageous move. and we look forward to secretary vilsack's prussians when he returns on this very critical issue. >> what are the two issues? they could be too big issues? >> wine is a technical issue and the other one is a complicated issue. it is just better to let it go until it works itself out. and i don't want to predict a date certain for the conclusion but we are working very hard on it. >> but it was meant to

they thought he would provide information on top al qaeda and taliban leaders, today the taliban released video of the alleged bomber jordanian dr. umar farouk abdulmutallab with the head of the pakistan taliban. >> in a letter to the washington post today cia director leon panetta defended the agents for letting the man in, he said the individual was about to be searched by our security officers, a distance away from other intelligence personnel, when he set off his explosives. critics contend they trusted and risked too much. >> one of the officers killed had nearly 15 years experience doing nothing but al qaeda. he is referring to the base's station sheet, a member of the clandestine service, former agents tell me in loss is going to have a chilling effect on the risks that agents on the ground are allowed to fake jeff. >> glor: kimber dozier, thank you. since the attempted christmas airline attack, international attention has focused on yemen, which claims to be taking action against al qaeda there. but it is hampered by a civil conflict that could bring even more chaos to an already