and the afghanistan taliban?> the biggest difference is who the target is. the taliban want to create their version of an islamic state in pakistan and on pakistani territory and soil and the afghan have the same purpose but their target is in afghanistan. all these extremist groups, whether al qaeda or the different factions of the taliban, they do tend to cooperate, and we all know about that. of course, there are some people in afghanistan who say that they are just against a foreign military presence. those are people that president karzai and his colleagues in the afghan government are trying to talk to, and say, "guys, come into the government" and pakistan reports that afghan-led reconciliation process. know other than that anybody who targets civilians in afghanistan, pakistan, or any other country is a terrorist and we oppose terrorists and we fight them. >> charlie: today, the relationship between the president of pakistan and the president of afghanistan is, what? cordial? warm? what? >> friendly. pres

group, it stands accused of helping the afghan taliban. >> the taliban were able to show their strength and the pakistani parties started looking at the taliban as one of the future options for them to support in afghanistan. >> in other words, pakistan thinks the taliban are winning. at a taliban -- a taliban- controlled afghanistan might be your family to pakistan and the present government there is. >> of the american senator connected to the lockerbie bombing says he may send investigators to britain to investigate whether bp has argued for one man's release to seal an oil deal. those hearings have been postponed because key u.k. witnesses have refused to travel to take part. >> in addition to making a request for them to come to the hearings, we will be sending individuals and taking those who may be up travel abroad to great britain to interview the individuals and ask questions and get a thorough understanding of how they came to their decisions. >> i think it is a balanced and transparent thing -- offer -- we're after the troops -- where after the truth and what everyone to coop

should take more direct action against taliban bases in pakistan. drawn attacks against individual of qaeda leaders have been carried out for years, but in taking a hardline president karzai asked why u.s. forces were not attacking more well- known such worries of the taliban in pakistan. u.s. troops are facing their worst summer for casualties since the war began. they hardly need reminding of the continuing threat they face in afghanistan. the latest debt was a petty officer, the second body found of two soldiers missing since friday. fighting is complex war, the troops would rather keep their intelligence sources secret, and not published on the internet. >> this enormously of documents is an unwelcome distraction for a government trying to put into place a new program agreed upon last week. they are a reminder of the scale of the continuing u.s. military and intelligence efforts in afghanistan. bbc news, kabul. >> the u.s. defense secretary described the leak as potentially dangerous to american troops, their allies, and partners in afghanistan.

it is still far higher than it is for the taliban. but support for the taliban is gradually rising, and one of the main reasons is because of the number of civilians killed by foreign forces. that is what makes the revelations in these documents so potentially damaging. the taliban killed many more people than are killed by international forces from the air or the ground. civilians are caught between them. >> the victims are not just the numbers of civilians who lose their lives. it is much more broad. living in a situation, and a condition of fear that any moment and insurgents will attack -- at any moment an search that will attack or take the life of an individual or their family. >> these children more injured as recently as friday in an attack that killed dozens of others. after a bbc investigation during the weekend, the afghan government today said the deaths and injuries were caused by an air strike. bbc news, kabul. >> just before we leave you, we are hearing from the romanian defense ministry that an israeli defence helicopt

lived under taliban rule. and i was not rejected when i walked the streets there right after we threw them out. >> thank you, senator graham. senator goodwin. >> as the newest member this commit teent senate, i want to thank my colleagues and pose a questiono you, general. during my admittedly brief tenure in the senate, one thing i hope to contribute is giving voice to our brave men and women in uniform, particularly those from my home state of west virginia. as you may be aware,general, west virginia is among t top states in military volunteers per capita andhere have been over 10,000 deployments from west virginia guard members since 9/11. west virginians are no strangers to hard work and sacrifice. if there's a job to do to protect this country, west rginians are often a part of it. get we're acutely aware we're engaged in two ground barps as the challenges grow, so do the stakes. i think the people of west virginia want to make sure our strategies are working, we're moving in the right direction and we're

the afghan people hate the taliban. it is a big building block we have. the same thing is true with anybody who has had to live under the extreme policies of the taliban. >> what about countries like somalia the do not have a government? >> if we see them getting stronger. >> we have a pretty intense situation in north korea where nato forces have been doing exercises. north korea has said that could lead to a conflict. are you worried there could be something that the spark a conflict? >> no, i think north korea is too interested in their own survival which would -- to do anything that would spark the end of that rain. i think we're only interested in regime survival. it would end the north korean regime. >> that is it for our time. please come back. after a conversation with senator carl levin, who is back with -- from afghanistan. we talked about the policy on the ground and the domestic debate at home. what did you learn? >> what i found most interesting were his expectations for 2011 when u.s. troops are expected to leave. he did not talk about democ

they've handed military defeats to the taliban. same time, they know the americans are leaving and pakistan is going to be attached to afghanistan for quite some period of time. and they want to influence the future of afghanistan by keeping certain taliban elements on the table for americans in afghanistan. >> larry: back to secrecy, michael, what should be secret? many complain that your story shouldn't have been told. what should be secret in times of conflict? >> well, i think clearly there are operational details as a reporter you would never report that are going to actually put u.s. troops in harm's way, but i think unfortunately the government has a tendency to classify things not to prevent americans from being in harm's way, but to prevent embarrassment for themselves. i think that's the issue here. but obviously there's operations going on, missions that you would never want to reveal, at least not while it's happening. >> larry: you agree, daniel? certain secret things are secret? >> i certainly -- i agree that there ar

air power if the taliban ever got them in large numbers. most of the reports document what is already well known. for years the u.s. has not had enough troops in afghanistan. resulting in this record of a remote outpost calling for help as they are nearly overrun. we are taking casualties. enemy in the wild. the afghan government has been corrupt and inefficient. according to this document, "the general view of the afghans is that the current government is worse than the taliban." american air strikes and commando raids have killed too many civilians. this report describes a raid that was intended to take out a high-ranking al qaeda operative and ended up killing children instead. the pentagon says it will take days if not weeks to determine the damage done by the massive leak of classified material. bruce rideal who directed a review of the afghan war at the start of the obama administration says the sight of so many secret documents on the web is likely to discourage afghans from risking their lives to help the u.s. for fear of winding up

the spiritual heartland of the taliban. that was nine years ago, and everybody was feeling it. >> this fight is over. for the al qaeda. this fight is over. for the taliban. >> reporter: the man who led those marines was general james mattis. so there was bitter irony in the room today when mattis now wearing four stars sat down for his confirmation hearing as commander of all u.s. forces in iraq and afghanistan. the man who once stood on the verge of victory now says the outcome is uncertain. >> i believe it will be a difficult summer right into the fall. >> reporter: what happened? in a word iraq. the invasion and occupation sucked up troops and technology. afghanistan became what's called an economy of force operation, a euphemism meaning not enough troops. you can read all about it in the six years' worth of classified documents wikileaks posted on the web. >> the war in afghanistan was deteriorating over the past several years and we were not winning. >> reporter: the taliban taking advantage of sanctuaries in afghanist

"the taliban are everywhere."ext week, golf company was inviting a man named younis to the meeting. he pulled out a letter that the taliban had nailed to the mosque, threatening anyone who met with the americans. but the letter didn't keep him from the meeting, and golf company counted that as a win. younis said, "when we're assured of our security, we'll cooperate with the afghan army." on one of our last days with golf, we saw how cooperation can save the lives of marines. using new and secret technology, the marines destroyed an i.e.d. from long range while it was still being planted in the road. we went with captain zach lehman on a patrol to investigate the site. but at the same time, a quarter mile away, a different patrol led by lance corporal quiceno was stopped by a terrified villager. >> tell him to calm down. tell him to calm down. >> pelley: the man said the taliban was setting an ambush for captain lehman's patrol headed to the i.e.d. strike. we won't show his face; he risked his life to tip the marin

just how to handle the taliban was a debated topic at the conference. moderate taliban members are offered a way back to mainstream society. delegates in kabul have agreed to provide 600 million euros, but they warn the line between moderates and extremists is often blurred, and terrorists could take advantage. they say government corruption was not discussed enough in london. afganistan is ranked among the most corrupt countries in the world. in kabul, they again insisted the u.n. must do more to stem corruption. >> opponents call the karzai election beset with fraud. the trade in opium remains one of the country's biggest problems. and next, how the poppy seed helps finance not just the taliban, but also some people in high places. the heroin trade begins in afghanistan. the crop is 7,000 tons, valued at 2.4 billion euros, exploited to arm taliban fighters. but the drug trade is not fully of their making. >> my work sets out to show that even though the taliban may profit, in fact it is the government and regional leaders who profit the most. so why w

mostly groun level field reports sp theears from 2004 to 2009, they give evidence of a strengthened taliban, persistent afghan understandings and afghan military with divided loyalties, the leak forced the white house to defend its white house strategy, once again after it replaced stanley mcchrystal with petraeus as the top commander, earlier today the press secretary robert gibbs was repeatedly asked about the matter. >> a couple of times now you said in the last couple of moments that a lot of this information is not really n, that u.s. governmtofficials have said some of in same information. >> yes. i said ther there weren't any nw revelations in the material. >> how about our national security if we knew this already? >> well, because you have got -- it is no not the content as much as it is there are names, there are operations, there are logistics, there are sources, all of that information out in a public way has the potential to do harm. >> made it a point that wiki is not an objective news outlet but an organization that opposes u.s. policy in afghanistan, could you explain how th

and it supporting the americans and supporting the taliban. they want to make sure when there's a peace agreement their interest is protected. >> woodruff: the ambassador said there's no official report but acknowledged there may be private interest supporting. how do you square the two things? >> well, it's always existed that way in pakistan. there is as steve said what he calls the alumni association and isi officials group as well as the other militant groups that have made arrangements with al-qaida and the taliban. they serve their turn and they provide assistance to them. >> woodruff: does it give them the ability to deny the support? >> there's no evidence of official support and the government would not wish to be involved in a activities but th question is can they prevent the activities from taking place which means effectively sealing the board between the tribal area and pakistan which is a very difficult task at best. >> woodruff: we did hear the ambassador say they view them as illlegal and gone after people engaged. >> it's up

look, there is opium that comes from the taliban and opium that doesn't come from the taliban. if you're selling the wrong stuff you'll be the focus of attention. the groups that helped us throw the taliban out, a trade association, it was a natural association of heroin dealers and yet those same warlords are perfectly happy to sell heroin on north and central asia. you can imagine going to one of those groups and saying we're paying attention to your sources and whichever exporter is selling the most taliban-taxed heroin is going to get our own divided attention. that would require knowing where the stuff came from. probably not beyond the state of the art but beyond what we're currently doing and the capacity to actually target enforcement, where under afghan conditions may be complicated. the problem is that it opens up the door to influence and corruption. how you distinguish targeted enforcement from corrupt enforcement is not so easy a problem. we could fight corruption. corruption is not ambiguously bad. it would not be a bad thing. if we can't replace the corrupt gover

war effort was failing and the taliban was on the rise. the secret documents were released by the whistleblower website wikileaks and its founder, julian assange. >> the real story of this material is that it's war. it's one damn thing after another. it is the continuous small events, the continuous deaths of children, insurgents. >> reporter: many of the documents tear the cover off pakistan's alleged secret support for the taliban. the u.s. has long complained to pakistan that its intelligence service, the isi, was working with the taliban, but today's release provides shocking and specific new details. even as pakistan accepted billions in u.s. aid, the documents suggest isi officials conspired with taliban leaders to plan attacks against american forces in afghanistan. former isi chief hamid gul was reportedly deeply involved in the taliban operation. in an nbc interview today, he fired back. >> i deny it vehemently, outrightly. it is fictitious and fabricated. >> reporter: at the white house today, press secretary robert gibbs called

area that has been controlled by the taliban and will loosen their grip. without much doubt their grip will be loosened. doesn't that mean it will come back at night? no. does that mean there aren't going to be i.e.d.'s exploding? no. there will be i.e.d.'s exploding as in kabul but the afghan government is in control of kabul and it will be much more in control in the taliban area after this effort is made than it is now. and what i point to as perhaps the most important part of this, the afghan army is not only going to be there as partners with us and other coalition forces, but it's going to be in the lead. those words are very significant words. they are significant to the american people. they are significant to the afghan people. and you'll notice in the kabul conference declaration that came out of kabul a few days ago that those words were focused on. timetable for when afghan forces will be in the lead in providing security for their country. when that phase transition is going to begin and when the goal is to complete that phased transition, a b

but pakistan has never historically been able to control the taliban. when they were in power initially or when they're out out of power and and seeking refuge in distant parts of the border region the third thing is that the majority of people inside pakistan do not favor a thought about kind of government inside pakistan itself and it's highly unlikely that they would support any kind of a taliban dominated government in afghanistan because of its effects on pakistan so i think the last one is very critical within the last year the pakistani population has supported this really in government and the military in mounting a huge campaign against the militancy against the insurgency because they do not want this kind of government inside pakistan the way they treat women etc so i think that that needs to be understood as to how pakistan will either help or hinder some kind of an orderly military drawdown of the united states ok well look the economic lee and politically i think you go on to point which point and nato needs to remain ok well you just thin

it does not look like the taliban is in any position to negotiate the united states right now because the taliban is winning the war very clearly what this can be seen as is a move of desperation on behalf the united states to hillary clinton is going as that representative saying that you know this goal in afghanistan the reason that we're told we must fight and die and we'll see in afghanistan is to drive the taliban from any inch of political power because of that was to happen that another terrorist attack would be lost from afghanistan on the united states that's the reason that we're giving but i don't want to hand what we're being told we must fight and die and leslie to make sure the taliban have no political power we're seeing our representatives telling the taliban that they would like to put them on the payroll offer them seats in the government if they just promise to allow the u.s. to carry out whatever business and military interest it has in that country what we do know is that the united states is losing this war and the united states will not withdraw in defeat from t

the taliban is part of the will of the people and. the united states and other forces need to recognize understand that that is part of the afghan people and if you're shooting taliban you are shooting people. and i stay with us to see the rest of that interview with we can leaks founder julian assange right here on r.t. well time now to have a quick look at other stories making headlines around the world at this stage of the day the death toll from the worst floods in pakistan decades has reached eight hundred million people are being affected by the waters triggered by monsoon rains with some one hundred thousand stranded in remote villages daily to roads and bridges and hampered rescue efforts a state of emergency has been. expected to continue throughout the weekend. hundreds of protesters an indian administered kashmir killing two and injuring five demonstrators tried to set police camps on fire and threw stones at officers for other activists were shot dead during protests against indian rule on friday over the last six weeks tw

everyone says taliban but in fact the taliban are i've got it yes this is a civil war that is going onand the taliban are part of the will of the afghan people now they're also part of the will perhaps of the i.s.i. the pakistani secret intelligence service and of course perhaps they're part of the will of saudi arabia who is giving some money to this but in terms of the bodies on the ground people actually doing the work the taliban is part of the will of the afghan people and. the united states and other forces need to recognize any understanding that that is part of the afghan people and if you're shooting taliban you were shooting the afghan people this material doesn't paint the behavior of any military group in a nice light i mean there's blood on that on all sides judy thank you very much. comes of you should. just repeat. scenes from a cinema and landed in your living room shot on special senses streaming street your stereo display to life no glasses no problem gentians three d. one to me i'm dangerous here on. the contrary. wealthy british style it's a small town to the split.

so in a sense his talking to the taliban, the conversations between the karzai government and taliban is in part envoked by the fact that the u.s. is putting a date certain of when we're going to leave. i think that is the pragmatic reason for it. >> rose: joe. >> well, we've put a date certain on when we're going to begin to leave. >> rose: right. >> i think that, you know, the president-- by the way, i talked to the white house fairly regularly about whether they're reconsidering when they're going to do their next, you know, policy review. they're sticking with december now, but they're paying far more attention on a weekly basis because it isn't going well. so they ramped up their attention a little bit. a couple of things about the situation that i need to explain to complicate it some more. first of all, i don't think there's a real chance of the taliban coming back and overthrowing the karzai government. you have in afghanistan many non. pasthan porss forces who represented the alliance in the past and there is a civil war going on there. there will probably be a civil war goin

everyone says taliban but in fact the taliban are i've got news this is a civil war that is going onand the taliban are part of the wheel of the afghan people they're also part of the will perhaps of the odds are. the pakistani secret intelligence service and of course perhaps they're part of the will of saudi arabia who is giving some money to this but in terms of the bodies on the ground people actually doing the work the taliban is part of the will of the afghan people and. the united states and other forces need to recognize any understanding that that is part of the afghan people and if you're shooting taliban you are shooting the afghan people this material doesn't paint the behavior of any military group in a nice light and there's blood on all sides judy thank you very much. wealthy british style it's a small town to the right let's go to. the. market. to find out what's really happening to the global economy for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines. comes a report on our team. this is all c. coming to life from moscow to help. small drinks somebody raging

in pakistan a suicide attacker has gone to the house of an anti-taliban minister. at least eight people are known to be dead. the minister was unharmed. the army in iovanna says that the african prime minister has no choice but to go on the offensive against islamic insurgents. in response to the bombings this month from an islamist group. a 21-year-old german woman injured during a stampede at a festival over the weekend has died in hospital, bringing the death toll to 20. police say that the number of injured stands at 511. 42 people are still in hospital, said to be critically ill. there is a sense of justice done, but it has taken time. three decades since the atrocities committed in the killing fields of cambodia, a war crimes court has found a man imprisoned guilty of crimes against humanity, sentenced to 30 years in prison, he has already served 11. the first senior figure to face trial. >> bearing witness to a moment of history, they gathered together outside of the courtroom to hear a verdict long overdue. the old will always remember, the young are urged

sailors believed captured by the taliban. he was a napa high school grad and at the time of his death in afghanistan, at 21 years of age, army specialist chase stanley served a 15 month tour in iraq. he was killed july 14th when an ied destroyed their vehicle. kyle davenport served with him from day one in the army through service in iraq for four years. >> he's a great man. made sure that he took care of everybody around him. definitely will be missed. great guy. always love him. >> reporter: 15 usgs is have been killed in apps this week with 50 americans dead according to the military times online. >> this is a hard struggle. and general petraeus said very cleanly that it's likely to get worse before it gets better. >> reporter: a massive manhunt continues in afghanistan for two missing u.s. navy men. cbs news reports the taliban claims one is dead and they want to exchange his body for insurgent prisoners. >> [ inaudible ] >> reporter: the two servicemen were believed to be heading back to their base when they apparently r

has covered up the taliban has deadly. missiles and all this from a british perspective makes rather a mockery of david cameron the prime minister's assertion that from next year we will start pulling troops out of afghanistan and then we will hand over this situation to the afghan government from two thousand and fourteen. this isn't the first stunning revelation from wiki leaks so where does the sun get this kind of information from a. well this specific piece of information this specific dossier it's not clear where this came from and julian assaults here in fact is giving a media conference in a couple of hours time here in london our team will be that to hear what he's got to say he won't discuss where these ninety thousand documents came from but we can assume that that comes from some sort of inside source maybe because in april there was a similar leak of video which julian i saw wiki leaks put on his web sites which showed apache helicopters essentially gunning down to a man on the streets of baghdad now someone h

with the taliban want less -- with the taliban and what less production? it is complicated. there's one place where we do not see perfectly i'd like. my view is that the government- led eradication efforts is paying people to not grow poppies said that it can be taliban. i am not sure that that is a good idea. taliban would pay that theyy started growing poppies in the north. there are governance issues about that out so i'm not sure how that comes out. but with resppct to enforcement within the taliban's on area, -- own area, i'll leave my colleagues as to the hard question. i learned a long time a gun -- i'd go that professor heymann's easy questions are hard for me. >> why at -- why does law enforcement have perverse effects there? you only really like the contraction of supply if you are effectively the monopolist.3 lots of other producers, you don't want someone to come in shrink your supply. fundamentally -- the fundamental premise of the and the critique of the analysis is that afghanistan is 95%, and p hil made a good point. it is not literally a tax. there's not a s

there is no hope for a peaceful afghanistan until nato breaks bread with the taliban. i think it's all crazy talk i don't think anybody needs to believe any of these guys or hillary clinton obama karzai because nobody has any clue how we're going to bring peace there or stability this whole thing if we don't negotiate with the television unless the taliban peace negotiations are brought to the forefront of this whole discussion it's all mindless chatter it's it's nonsense it's like facebook blogging on steroids it's crazy to target and nobody should listen to it as far as i'm concerned there i hate to criticize the us congress so much and so avidly but i think many of them outside the us do are really crazy for having any sort of idea that staying in afghanistan longer is a good as a good thing or can help stabilize it actually only way to bring peace and stability is to allow local people to solve local problems through local solutions and it doesn't include foreign of forces being the source of the peacemaking has to be done by the afghan parliament it has to be done