some of the taliban are ideological. we went to meet a middle ranking taliban commander. the capital is under government control but insurgents still come and go. he says he has 900 fighters in the province. the taliban line is quite simple. no peace negotiations until the americans leave. >> my advice to the americans is that if their families are suffering from their presence here, they should go. as long as one american remains, we will not stop. but what then? -- >> what then? >> the day that foreign forces leave afghanistan, we will sit down with the government. if they do not accept demands, we will continue the attack. >> a ragtag army, perhaps, but in places the taliban are in charge. along with their checkpoints, the insurgents create their own administration. here, is love and justice is dispensed. >> paying bribes to the courts of slave governments and westerners. the court of the islamic emirates is not corruption. islamic emirates is mercy and kindness. >> even within the government military there are taliban loyalists. insurgents are getting new recruits, li

>> the taliban. yes. think this is the best time to come -- [unintelligible] >> the problem and the reason for the conflict is that al qaeda was a stick. he claims even that once unbreakable link is non- negotiable -- al qaeda was once based here. >> if al qaeda want to stay here, this country will be for afghans. it will be not for any foreigner to roll this country -- to rule this country. >> this is really important. you are saying that the taliban would give a guarantee that this country would not be used as a base for an attack on any other place. >> yes. i am 100% sure. the foreigners should do the same job. >> whether or not he is right about their willingness to break their links with o'connor remained open to question. what is clear is that if talks were to take place, and nato could well play a crucial role in bringing the key players together. in fact, nato is already supporting the early stages of the dialogue. there are direct contact between people in the government authorized by president k

the taliban line is quite simple. negotiations until the americans leave. -- no negotiations until the americans leave. >> my suggestion is they should go. as long as one american remains in afghanistan, we will not stop our jihad. >> ming new plant roadside bombs to kill the americans, all fan you -- when you plant roadside bombs to kill the americans, you often kill civilians. how was this a legitimate way to fight? >> we are doing our best to avoid civilian casualties. we have stopped using some any suicide bombers to reduce civilian casualties. >> are ragtag army perhaps, but in places, the taliban are in charge. along with their makeshift checkpoints, they have created their own in administration. even within government ministries, there are taliban loyalists. insurgents are getting new recruits. like this man. the civil servant by day, a taliban volunteer by night. >> i joined the taliban because of what the americans are doing to this country to break down doors in the middle of the night. they kill innocent pe

they will find the taliban. but at some point they have to hand that off, you know, and that is the part -- that is the part that is kind of never worked. and there isn't a lot of evidence that it is really working yet either and that is the biggest problem. you know, is afghan government, afghan security forces. >> rose: pakistan, any change on the ground over there in terms of what they might do about safe haifnls for the taliban? you know, it is like pakistan, it is like a science fiction movie, it is so complicated, you know, everything that you see is actually something else. no. i think -- i think it is still -- you know, it is still a double game. the pakastani government basically on one hand, you know, very publicly says we support the united states, thank you very much for the billion dollars a year that we are getting from the united states, thanks very much for that, but at the same time, i think the evidence is pretty convincing that elements of, pretty substantial elements of the military and intel

the taliban. a senior official has said that they are tired of fighting. they say that if nato will withdraw their forces, they will make sure that al-qaeda is kept out of afghanistan, for good. >> night falls. there are new deals of blood, and much is happening behind closed doors. this is a founding member of the taliban, seen as a close associate of its iconic leader. he is not a spokesman, but he says he is ready to talk. >> [unintelligible] >> the taliban are at the head? >> yes. the taliban. i think this is the best time. >> the problem and the reason for this conflict is al-qaeda was based here. he claims even that once unbreakable link is negotiable. as the coalition does, so, too, will al-qaeda. >> if al-qaeda wants to stay here, that is the problem. [unintelligible] i am convinced of that. >> you are saying that the taliban will give a guarantee that this country would not be used as a base for an attack on any other place? >> yes. i am sure. >> whether or not he is right about the talib

now we are trying to talk to moderate taliban or taliban. what we should have done in 2002 and '3 from a position of strength, now we are trying to do from a position of weakness. that was the next blunder. and now we are in the process of taking a decision whether to stay or quit. well, ladies and gentlemen, the decision has to be taken very carefully. we cannot commit a fourth blunder. what i would like to see in afghanistan -- people ask whether we can win. i would like to -- my reply is, we must not lose, even if you don't -- even if the answer to winning may be 50/50, but we must not lose. and let me say with 100% conviction if we stay there and show resolve, we will not lose. and we will not leaving. so, therefore, my food for thought here is, ladies and gentlemen, that we must not lose first and then work out the winning strategy. and i have said that pakistan is supposedly a strategic partner. but i don't know. pakistanis and people of pakistan are not too sure whether we are the strategic partner in words and deeds and actions. paki

which requires talking to the taliban.nstead of doing that, petraeus has ruled out negotiations. he's killing our cabinetry in taliban and creating a self-fulfilling prophesy. there's no reason for the u.s. to be in afghanistan, because the taliban is not in afghanistan. >> i agree there's not enough focus being pushed on to some of these questions about governance and the rule of law. too much focus on handing over to the afghan security forces without really looking at or trying to shape the political environments that underlies much of the conflict that we're seeing. i was just in kandahar a couple of weeks ago and looking into some more recent allegations of human rights abuses by rasick, and i think it sends a terrible message that this was the year that the u.s. and nato, looking at going into kandahar and sorting out governance, and look who their partner is. it's a man notorious for past human rights abuses, narcotics smuggling, a whole host of problems. and this is the man that they're standing shoulder to shoulde

don't article out of the new york times revealed today of the taliban leader who was in talks with the afghan government wasn't fact a fake it took at least nine months to figure out that this alleged shopkeeper was fronting as a second ranking member of the taliban but not before he was given a lots of money according to reports so is this just more proof that the u.s. is not winning we're going to speak with blogger robert farley there then there's a lot of economic news today consumer spending helped the economy grow in the third quarter but international problems with europe north and south korea also led to a drop in shares on wall street alternate economic out of there zach carter will join us with his take on the ups and downs next to member how fall out shelters were a way of life during the cold war despite the warnings from politicians and pundits that we still face nuclear threats today nobody really seems to be preparing in the same way anymore archie's preassure they're investigating and she's going to join us to talk about the legacy of the fallout shelter then forty five

originally was meant to be a quick retaliation for nine eleven a plan to get osama and defeat the taliban has become a conflict now going on for nine years and fifty days where the goal is transformed a number of times from revenge to nation building now to training and transitioning some say that while the time length is the same the war of america the war of the soviet union and afghanistan couldn't be more different but is that really true when joining me from los angeles to discuss that is afghanistan veteran. jake thanks so much for joining us now you know i've asked you this exact question before but it seems like we keep reaching these new milestones the time he was going on and on and on and on so when you first went to afghanistan did you ever think nine years fifty days later our country would still be fighting there are today. no you know a lot i never imagined that we'd still be there surpassing the soviet occupation and i never thought they would go on this long is one of the odd things about this whole entire exercise is that osama bin laden still hasn't been found an amazin

it may be possible to do so with taliban, or with the parts of the taliban.ut it is certainly desirable under the right conditions. and now one of the conditions i refer to are your that president karzai has set alongside respecting a constitutional framework and renouncing violence, is cutting ties with al qaeda. so yes, such a settlement would require a distinction to be made between those who are reconciled and those who are committed to al qaeda. >> fonseca, if i may. i think one factor when looking at the prospects that you gave is the level of pipe support for the taliban which is around 10%. so it varies. in different parts of the country. i think the other thing we need to consider is that parts of the insurgency have active links with al qaeda now, not necessarily inside afghanistan, but certainly links emanating from pakistan. and if one looks at president karzai's conditions about renouncing links with al qaeda, i think what also would love to see security council resolutions and suffice of 9/11 that you'll find the taliban getting up al qaeda, a s

we have had these kind of talks with some significant members of the taliban, the main taliban group, and other insurgent groups. >> and in this crisis, what does britain have especially to offer? >> we have experienced. we are making very difficult choices ourselves. we are trying to bring peace to northern ireland. we found it very different. both sides of the conflict mistrusted the other side within government. so we bring that experience. we bring that knowledge. it actually is possible. >> we support each other. and in many cases, we are responsible for terrible acts. >> so, is it really possible for the taliban, who presided over this country in such a brutal fashion, to once again share in government? it seems of four people broken by war, even that prospect is worth considering. bbc news, kabul. >> political resilience and scandal have been current themes in the life of the italian prime minister serve though -- silvio berlusconi. the government is unhappy with his policies and private life. but silvio berlusconi refuses to resign. there is a flash photography in this report.

that cleared the taliban out of areas which have been taliban strongholds for many years. we will not have the full measure ofuccess of those operations for a while because it is one thing to clear them out, but you have to hold onto what you are getting. it is vitally important that our troops be able to hold on next summer when there will be inevitableounterffensive. these are not the usual in and out operations we have done for nine years. these are serious counterinsurgency plans being implemented, which of course involves not only keeping the enemy oubut also moving into theopulation to keep the enemy from coming back in. i'm pretty confident all the security front. i think we are making good progress and will continue. the two areas that will remain the most problematic will be the hardest to do with. safe havens in pakistan, and issues of governance and corruption within afghanistan. let me briefly addressed the safe haven issue, which has already been discussed extensively by my colleagues. with a do not have a magical solution for solving the problems of pakistan.

it has a taliban commander.erestingly those the plea does not go out to afghans but instead to arabs from the middle east, places like saudi arabia and united arab emirates and indonesia. they say it's evidence that the taliban is running low on money and needs support, not just from this part of the world but from the greater sort of terrorist world, places like saudi arabia where they think they can get money. in the past taliban has received money in you night arab emirates and saudi arabia so it's not clear whether its direct result of needing money or part of a regular process of asking money from this part of the world. u.s. military says though that this is clear evidence that taliban is running out of money. many analysts are not sure. they say the insurgency is strong as it has been in years. they control large parts of afghanistan and are able to hit u.s. and afghan positions all across the country, both rural and in the cities. there is a growing debate over the current strategy. u.s. commanders say t

i coined the term that all taliban are pashtun, but all patun are not taliban. --'s get them o noun our side the pashtun. now that was not done, so therefore, taliban emerged in 2004. they are starting out to go towards taliban. they are few in numbers, but taliban have emerged. you cannot put that on mine, that i did something -- and then kasir, yes, indeed, as i said, kashmir, freedom was -- this at all this dynamics some religions militancy in afghanistan, and after 9/11, yes, they turned it towards me. so, therefore, our national establishment -- the extremism went on the rise occurred because of the. so i think we need to heed the history but see the future, the realities of today, and battling in the future and winning. i think we should concentrate on that. back to the drone, s, every single person on the streets and pakistan is opposed to them. then why allow the drone attacks to cross your sovereign boundary? >> yes. you did ask. now, drones. there's a dilemma here tha we share with you. thdilemma is that these drones are militan. t. i know that. at the

it may be possible to do so with taliban, or with the parts of the taliban. we don't know whether that is possible. but it is certainly desirable under the right conditions. and now one of the conditions i refer to are your that president karzai has set alongside respecting a constitutional framework and renouncing violence, is cutting ties with al qaeda. so yes, such a settlement would require a distinction to be made between those who are reconciled and those who are committed to al qaeda. >> fonseca, if i may. i think one factor when looking at the prospects that you gave is the level of pipe support for the taliban which is around 10%. so it varies. in different parts of the country. i think the other thing we need to consider is that parts of the insurgency have active links with al qaeda now, not necessarily inside afghanistan, but certainly links emanating from pakistan. and if one looks at president karzai's conditions about renouncing links with al qaeda, i think what also would love to see security council resolutions and suffice of 9/11 that you'll

i coined the term that all taliban are pashtun, but all pashtun are not taliban. --'s get them o noun our side the pashtun. now that was not done, so therefore, taliban emerged in 2004. they are starting out to go towards taliban. they are few in numbers, but taliban have emerged. you cannot put that on mine, that i did something -- and then kashmir, yes, indeed, as i said, kashmir, freedom was -- this at all this dynamics. some religions militancy in afghanistan, and after 9/11, yes, they turned it towards me. so, therefore, our national establishment -- the extremism went on the rise occurred because of the. so i think we need to heed the history but see the future, the realities of today, and battling in the future and winning. i think we should concentrate on that. back to the drone, s, every single person on the streets and pakistan is opposed to them. then why allow the drone attacks to cross your sovereign boundary? >> yes. you did ask. now, drones. there's a dilemma here that we share with you. the dilemma is that these drones are militan. t. i know that.

the people of bamyan have never forgiven the taliban. are still reinforcing this cliff where the giant buddhas and a network of smaller shrines were carved. but the ultimate fate of this archaeological site, one of the most important in central asia, has yet to be determined. many people in this area would like to see at least one of the buddhas rebuilt. pushing for rebuilding is the governor of bamyan. she's the only female governor in afghanistan, and has been embraced and respected. in a meeting of elders, she sits in a chair. the men listen on the ground. she tells me her vision is to open bamyan to tourists, skiers, hikers and backpackers. >> we are focusing for ecotourism to respect the cultures, and not to damage the environment, because bamyan has a good environment. >> reporter: already afghans are enjoying their first, safe, national park. on an open plain we find riders playing a game somewhat akin to polo. i joined them for a game but quickly realized this is polo, afghan style. the ball is a sacrificed goat. the object of th

i coined the term that all taliban are pashtun, but all pashtun are not taliban. --'s get them o noun our side the pashtun. now that was not done, so therefore, taliban emerged in 2004. they are starting out to go towards taliban. they are few in numbers, but taliban have emerged. you cannot put that on mine, that i did something -- and then kashmir, yes, indeed, as i said, kashmir, freedom was -- this at all this dynamics. some religions militancy in afghanistan, and after 9/11, yes, they turned it towards me. so, therefore, our national establishment -- the extremism went on the rise occurred because of the. so i think we need to heed the history but see the future, the realities of today, and battling in the future and winning. i think we should concentrate on that. back to the drone, s, every single person on the streets and pakistan is opposed to them. then why allow the drone attacks to cross your sovereign boundary? >> yes. you did ask. now, drones. there's a dilemma here that we share with you. the dilemma is that these drones are militan. t. i know that.

that cleared the taliban out of areas which have been taliban strongholds fomany years.ill not have the full measure of success of those operations for a while because it is one thing to clear them out, but you have to hold onto what you are getting. it is vitally important that our troops be able to hold on next summer when there will be inevitable counter-offensive. these are not the usual in and out operations we have done for nine years. these are serious counterinsurgency plans being implemend, which of course involves not only keeping the enemy out but also moving into the population to kp the enemy from coming back in. i'm pret confident all the security front. i think we are making good progress and will continue. the two areas that will remain the most problematic will be the hardest to do with. safe havens in pakistan, a issues of governance and corruption within afghanistan. let me briefly addressed the safe haven issue, which has already been discussed extensively by my colleagues. with do not have a magical solution for solving the problems of pakistan. i do

military just releasing a new taliban training and recruiting video. what is different in this new video the production values seem to be higher, and the man you see on the lower left of the screen there, talking, is calling for a funding from the gulf states an asia. a first. and, the military says, parts of the video actually show an 8-year-old -- 8th grade boy, who is in 8th grade, supposedly being used as a homicide bomber. we'll have much more on this tape, what it means, and a live report, from afghanistan, just ahead. also in afghanistan the country's president issuing critical words for the u.s. military. hamid karzai saying the u.s. must reduce its military operations there. including night operations, raiding private homes, he says to reduce the visibility and intensity of our military effort. does this help or hurt our effort. joining us as he always does on sundays at this time, a former ambassador to the united nations and a fox news contributor, john bolton. >> good morning. >> eric: has the taliban been whispering in karzai's ear or does

this is a political conflict and requires negotiating with the taliban. not anymore unsavory than the warlords we've empowered. instead of doing that, petraeus is ruling out negotiations and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where the taliban are pushed into the hands of al qaeda. there's no reason on earth for the u.s. to be in afghanistan. al qaeda is not in afghanistan. >> some of the questions about government, the governance and rule of law, and too much focus on short term military gains, too much focus on handle over to the afghan security forces without looking at or trying to shape the political environment that underlies much of the conflict that we're seeing. i was just in kandahar a couple of weeks ago and looking into some more recent allegations of human rights abuses by razak and i think it sends a terrible message that this was a year the americans and nato, talking about going into kandahar and sorting out governance and look who their partner is, a man notorious for past human rights abuses, narcotics smuggling, a host of problems. and

the taliban insurgency leadership is in pakistan. and i recount how the intelligence people have paragraphs and communications interpreted that the taliban insurgents go from afghanistan back into pakistan. get trained, repardonarmed, r &r weekend, load up trucks with the weapons and they weight in pakistan check points to go into afghanistan and kill american and other coalition soldiers. i quite lyon minute net that, the cia director. as panetta sums it up, this is a crazy kind of war. >> host: steve from michigan. you are on. >> caller: yes, good morning. i got a couple of quick questions. one i'd like to find out if you are telling, are you a democrat or republican? and number two, i'd like to find out how you voted, i think it was in 68 and 72 when next son -- when nixon was being voted on. >> guest: fair and good question. because i live in the district of columbia, which is democratic, i am a registered democrat, but i'm avowed neutral. to put that into practice, i take my young daughter into the voting booth. she votes for me

was not taliban but an imposter. the war. this comes ahead unless breaking news changing everything on "studio b" today. but first from fox at 3:00, north korea attacked south korea on civilians, the worst of its kind in half a century. shells hit a populateed island near the sea bother. that set dozens of buildings on fire. the attack killed at least two soldiers, and wounded 20 others according to south korean officials, and that return of fire would have createed casualties but no reports which is not unusual. neither side has of signed a peace treaty but this a major escalation of recent tensions and a serious new threat to peace on the peninsula. the big story of the day and we have fox coverage it with general no one hunt on the series of events that led to this. is there a way to back this up to know what started this? >>reporter: well, what we are hearing from senior u.s. defense officials is the first shell was fired by the north koreans at 2:00 p.m. local time. at that time, it was fired at the island that is off th

it fosters a sort of feeling of mistrust which plays into the taliban's hands. is there anything we can do to break into this cycle? >> well, so much of what our military effort is directed at doing working with the provincial reconstruction teams is to break into this circle. as you know, the military strategy adopted at the highest level was redefined to be counterinsurgency involving the protection of the local population. isaf forces go to great lengths to protect local populations. they often take losses to protect local populations. the majority of civilian casualties are caused by the other side and they are caused by the ieds of the taliban and others. so i think it's very important to remember that, that we are the forces safeguarding the civilian population wherever possible. and i think karen may have the figures here, but i think it is around 70% of the civilian casualties that are caused by taliban acttivities andeds. >> that's right. 70% ofhe casualties caused by the taliban, and the figure has gone up this year, but that's largely due toen increas

i coined the term that all taliban are pashtun, but all pashtun are not taliban. --'s get them o noun our side the pashtun. now that was not done, so therefore, taliban emerged in 2004. they are starting out to go towards taliban. they are few in numbers, but taliban have emerged. you cannot put that on mine, that i did something -- and then kashmir, yes, indeed, as i said, kashmir, freedom was -- this at all this dynamics. some religions militancy in afghanistan, and after 9/11, yes, they turned it towards me. so, therefore, our national establishment -- the extremism went on the rise occurred because of the. so i think we need to heed the history but see the future, the realities of today, and battling in the future and winning. i think we should concentrate on that. back to the drone, s, every single person on the streets and pakistan is opposed to them. then why allow the drone attacks to cross your sovereign boundary? >> yes. you did ask. now, drones. there's a dilemma here that we share with you. the dilemma is that these drones are militan. t. i know that.

so the taliban leaders know he's serious as well. he has admitted to speaking to two level taliban commanders, one from the network that is notorious for killing both nato soldiers and afghan civilians. many of these taliban leaders including those within the network say they will not negotiate with the afghan government until nato forces leave. so he's bringing this message out. he wants the taliban to know that he's serious, because in the last nine years president karzai's mindset is to work with the international community and there's not peace in afghanistan yet. he feels by talking to the taliban, maybe that will bring peace into his country and that's a gamble that he's willing to take. lester. >> in kabul for us tonight. >>> back in this country a horrific accident in california outside san diego. five people including four members of of a motorcycle club were killed when at driver of a gold honda accord swerved into the opposite lane forcing an oncoming car off the road and into a pack of motorcycles. the driver of the secon

sources say the top taliban official in the room-- mullah mohammed mansour was really an impostor. including one report, a lowly shopkeeper who received large sums of money from afghan officials to attend. president karzai today decided he never met with the man, calling the reports propaganda, but the top u.s. commander in afghanistan, who has encouraged talks with taliban leaders, said he wasn't surprised by reports of a fraud. >> there was skepticism about one of these all along and it may well be that that skepticism was well founded. >> reporter: theories of why the man posed as a taliban leader range from a simple get rich quick scheme to an elaborate deception by the taliban or even pakistan in retaliation for being cut out of the talks. >> the damage done is damage done to the credibility of the united states and the karzai government because they were in essence dealing with a con man. >> reporter: now, efforts to talk to the taliban are expected to continue, but this incident was a warning about how easy it is to get burned. katie? >> couric: chip reid at the white house,

the taliban is a kind of license for that degree of opposition i think what we have to recognise is that the people of afghanistan don't like being occupied by the western forces the longer they stay there the stronger the taliban gets because people see them as the main and credible opposition and i think it is time that we have a totally different political strategy in the region look at the threat that's now on in pakistan look at the threat in the border region which is largely occasioned by people wanting to oppose the western presence in afghanistan but what about the idea of the fact that british forces could be there in a supportive role and not a combative role would that be more acceptable. not really because history shows us that where forces go into any situation in a supportive role they are often well equipped probably better equipped than the afghan forces they are often quite experienced they are then dragged into situations they don't want to be dragged into think back to nine hundred sixty nine sixty three to be exact the united states sent in military advisors and

coming up next in the cbs evening news, deifying the taliban. female soccer players take the field in afghanistan. >> glor: finally tonight not all the news out of afghanistan involves combat and casualties. mandy clark tonight has the story of one courageous group. for them, soccer is a whole lot more than a game. >> reporter: just by kicking the ball, these afghan women are taking on their fearest opponent it'sitait's taliban. when the taliban was in power, no woman was arb lowed to play sports, and female prisoners were publicly executed at the soccer stadium so having women take to the field is seen as a direct challenge to the militants. they practice every other day but rarely get to play matches in afghanistan. there's no afghan soccer league. these women play each other for fun. but this game can bring its own dangers with some of the women facing death threats. she quit for three months because of the taliban. "someone called my home number" she said. "he promised to kill me if i continued to play. i changed my enemy but i'm still scare

that made the local people turned to the taliban. nato hopes this new generation of police is different. their job is certainly dangerous. this is the heavily sandbagged police post. all of these men were injured in firefights with the insurgents. just wearing a police uniform here is an act of courage. >> [unintelligible] >> in the area's main bazaar, afghans we spoke to were largely hostile to the international forces. we were better off before the foreign troops arrived, he said. there wasn't shooting all the time. since they came, my beard has turned white. they should go. british soldiers have come under fire about a kilometer away. the officer on duty is not keen to get involved, but he persuades them. the british troops set off to look for the insurgents. its stock they have taken shelter in a nearby mosque after carrying out their ambush. it is tense. the troops expect to get fired upon at any moment. as so often, the insurgents have slipped away. nato has the firepower, but victory is difficult to achieve when the enemy is s

a man they thought was a senior taliban official said he was willing to negotiate.veryone believed his credentials were solid, even the afghan security service. >> certain intelligence agencies helped bring these key individuals forward likely that they had the key man, the right man. they had a lot invested in the process. it is easy to see how they can get ahead of themselves. >> the royal air force flew the man to kabul accompanied by the secret intelligence service handlers. he was given inducements around $50,000 of afghan government money. in the capital, he was even presented to president karzai. but he was not who he said he was. he was an impostor, a talented trickster. he has since taken the money and disappeared. who is to blame for the intelligence fiasco? afghan officials have said the british came up with imposter. in london, the government sources say he was found by afghan intelligence and that britain was only facilitating the talks with america kept in a little times. either way, this will hardly improve the chances of real peace talks succeeding w

the taliban insurgency leadership is in pakistan.a and i recount how the intelligence people have photographs and communications intercept just showing that the taliban insurgents go from afghanistan back into pakistan, and train, we armed, r&r we can, then they load up trucks with weapons, and they are waved through pakistani checkpoint to go into afghanistan to kill american and other coalition soldiers. i quoted the cia director saying we have to get boots on the ground, these drone attacks from the air are not enough and has been quite neatly sums it up, this is a crazy kind of war. >> host: michigan, this is the on the republican line. you are on. >> caller: good morning. i've got a couple of quick questions. one i would like to find out if you are telling, are you a democrat or a republican? and number two, i would like to find out how you voted. i think was in 68 and 72 when nixon was being voted on. >> guest: a fair and good question. because i live in the district of columbia, which is so predominantly democratic, i am a reg