taliban promising?— taliban promising? well, taliban narsinah taliban promising? iban i narsingh they will not harm anyone, they will not target anyone. —— taliban are saying. but we will have to see how the taliban transition from the military attacks into the politics and what sort of a government we might be looking at but it is definitely something that was in the making of the last few days if not weeks. my colleague said to you earlier on, the messaging from the government was also confusing. president ghani said he was working on reorganising the afghan security forces while he has literally long lost all of us cards, the military has surrendered, the senior government has surrendered so it is still a very fluid and confusing situation. why do you think it has _ confusing situation. why do you think it has been _ confusing situation. why do you think it has been reported i confusing situation. why do you think it has been reported thatl think it has been reported that caliban spokesman has instructed taliban fighters to stay out of kabulfor taliban fighters

taliban in the 19905. is period of the taliban in the 19905. i5 a period of the taliban. there is only a small part of this in the guardian but my friend online, just before we came on there, this is a 24—year—old woman who has studied at the universities and she does not remember life before this, she has no memory of living under the taliban before. this completely new to her and she talks of a simple things to you and i about going to the beauty salon which had been washed, they�*ve been painted over, she won�*t go back there, she has hidden her ad, her certificates and diplomas from universities because she is that scared and this is just a horrendous situation where women are scared for their safety, their lives, what means for them and also, their education, can they continue to learn, whether be accepted because they have gone to university to get that degree, to work in politics whatever industry they want to work in and i think as they said, just a huge amount of fear across afghanistan we listen to some of the testimony that is been heard on the bbc today, the

today i saw the taliban in _ taliban in kabul now? yes. today i saw the talibanday i saw the taliban in kabul. we i taliban in kabul now? yes. today i saw the taliban in kabul. we were | saw the taliban in kabul. we were out in the western outskirts of city and there was a stream of taliban fighters coming out of the city on captured police rangers, and they're being cheered by by standers and little children running after them. it was an extraordinary scene. what about the institutions, the authorities, the security forces in kabul, what happened to them? they have completely meanted away —— melted away, collapsed. it started today. there was a rumour the taliban were inside the city. it wasn't true, they were on the outskirts. but soon you saw police abandoning their posts and changing into plain cloths and soon the city was full of soldiers without their uniforms trying to get out, to not be the last ones killed in a war that was lost. and the taliban was sending people to government facilities to facilitate a handover, so they weren't in the city in the force

now and the taliban 20 years a-o taliban now and the talibans ago because the taliban leadership now seem — ago because the taliban leadership now seem to be aware, conscious, but nobody _ now seem to be aware, conscious, but nobody knows when the mood may change _ nobody knows when the mood may change and they may become the same as they— change and they may become the same as they have _ change and they may become the same as they have been in the past. translation:— as they have been in the past. translation: , ., ' . translation: there is no difference between the — translation: there is no difference between the taliban _ translation: there is no difference between the taliban right _ translation: there is no difference between the taliban right now- translation: there is no difference between the taliban right now and i between the taliban right now and the taliban— between the taliban right now and the taliban 20 _ between the taliban right now and the taliban 20 years _ between the taliban right now and the taliban 20 years ago. - betwe

so how does the rise of the taliban, the re-emergence of the l taliban, the re—emergence of the talibanfit into that picture for china? ., ., , taliban fit into that picture for china? . . , . taliban fit into that picture for china? . ., ., , ., china? china has had long-standing arrangements _ china? china has had long-standing arrangements with _ china? china has had long-standing arrangements with taliban - china? china has had long-standing arrangements with taliban when - china? china has had long-standing. arrangements with taliban when they were in government last time. china was one of the few with access to have investment and economic interest in the country. taliban know that in a situation where they will struggle for legitimacy internationally, they will not get aid from the west, another government might find china a lifeline on the economic side. there will be trying to create the conditions for at least a good political relationship with the chinese. there was a prominent meeting which took place recently between the chinese foreign minister in which the taliban made st

taliban. we are going to see more conflict from the taliban that - taliban. this. conflict from the taliban that this new slick pr routine which is the same fundamental taliban and if you think the bloodshed is anything, then i'm afraid it'sjust probably going to get worse and what that does for biting's reputation has to be thought about as well because that's really going to be in tatters if anything else comes to pass. taste if anything else comes to pass. we are going to hear a paper statement where he is saying that he will address the nation tomorrow to explain why he did not decide to extend us presence in afghanistan beyond the 31st. still on the front page of the guardian, this is the thing. there are people still in afghanistan who are trapped trying to get out of the country and it appears that it is labour who is pushing to try and get people out. the front page of the guardian, rescuing 7000 people from afghanistan. taste rescuing 7000 people from afghanistan.— rescuing 7000 people from afghanistan. rescuing 7000 people from afuhanistan. ~ ., ., r

taliban. it depends on which taliban _ the former taliban. n we _ the former taliban. it depends on which taliban we are _ the former taliban. it depends on which taliban we are talk - the former taliban. it depends on which taliban we are talk about, i the former taliban. it depends on i which taliban we are talk about, the leaders have learned lessons from the past, it doesn't mean the religious views are more tolerant. they understand international affairs more and have been doing diplomacy with a host of countries and they have learned about how the keep the outsiders out of afghanistan. in other words, keep the outsiders out of afghanistan. in otherwords, i keep the outsiders out of afghanistan. in other words, i don't think they want to go back to hosting al-qaeda and create a situation where the united states would compaq after —— would come back. ground level taliban, commanders, village boys whojoined the taliban, i don't think they're much different. in practice in many parts of the afghanistan that is the taliban the people will enc

taliban. , , . . . taliban. it is rebranding and social media has been _ taliban. al media has been a huge part - taliban. it is rebranding and social media has been a huge part of - taliban. it is rebranding and social media has been a huge part of the strategy~ — media has been a huge part of the strategy~ i— media has been a huge part of the strategy. ijust think media has been a huge part of the strategy. i just think that they strategy. ijust think that they may see one _ strategy. ijust think that they may see one thing about women's rights. i see one thing about women's rights. i don't _ see one thing about women's rights. i don't believe it but even if they were _ i don't believe it but even if they were to — i don't believe it but even if they were to allow some very minor changes, — were to allow some very minor changes, what about lgbt rights and others _ changes, what about lgbt rights and others people in afghanistan now will be _ others people in afghanistan now will be fearing for their lives and have _ will be fearing for their lives and have not— wi

vehicles to make sure from the taliban that these other people are in fact taliban and not people pretending to be taliban taliban, concerned about them getting a bad rap for the it's getting a bad name just while we wait for this press conference to start it, the desk area at the top, the station has actually cleared. so maybe we are going to get somebody will plowed in the meantime. it's important to remember though that we've seen these seen those all those scenes yesterday. if people desperate to flee, couple very reprisals and indeed the, the general state or taliban role is not necessarily the case across the country where in other areas the taliban enjoy a great deal of support. yeah, absolutely. i mean, you have down in the taliban strongholds, provinces of helmand, et cetera. there is huge support. that's the, the pass to homeland. they view the, the taliban very differently. 2 ethnic groups in other parts of the country you have in the center of afghanistan, that has ada, who traditionally, politically, ideologically, ethnically, diametrically opposed to the taliban. they will never really submi

taliban?- are they a change taliban? we can 'udde the are they a change taliban? we can judge the taliban _ are they a change taliban? ban by their words i are they a change taliban? we can judge the taliban by their words orj judge the taliban by their words or we canjudge the judge the taliban by their words or we can judge the taliban by their actions stop for afghans it has to be by their actions. their words say repeatedly this will not be the taliban rule between 1996 and 2000 won. a harsh, authoritarian rule, which led to them being a pariah state. what is the evidence on the ground? in recent months, as the taliban overran district after district, the schools were shut, girls were allowed to go to school, mainly up to the sixth grade. music was banned, media outlets were shut down, men were told to grow their beards. this led afghans to say, yes, the taliban have changed, but actually they are worse than they were the first time round. but they give us a different picture here in kabul, where they know the eyes of the world on the capital. they talk about no revenge, no vindictiveness, no actions against membe

taliban? yes. perhaps of the taliban? yes, absolutely- _ perhaps of the taliban? yes, absolutely. when _ perhaps of the taliban? — taking over district centres but at the time those centres were in areas which had already been taken —— surrounded by the taliban so there were morse and baltic. but over the last few days they have just really made games at rates that no one expected. —— they were more symbolic. there was the expectation they would not be able to hold areas but they have managed to maintain the ground they have taken and i just think, you are totally correct, they seem to have been completely underestimated.— underestimated. what have people been sa int underestimated. what have people been saying in _ underestimated. what have people been saying in kabul— underestimated. what have people been saying in kabul regarding - been saying in kabul regarding ashraf ghani's leadership? he is not a man in favour— ashraf ghani's leadership? he is not a man in favour at _ ashraf ghani's leadership? he is not a man in favour at all. _ ashraf ghani's leadership? he is not a man in favour at all. there - ashraf

now, keep in mind that that taliban now, keep in mind that that taliban now, keep in mind that that talibanban and russian officials for some years now. interestingly, the kremlin's special envoy on afghanistan said today that recognition of that taliban would depend on its behaviour. he said they would watch closely with how responsibly they govern the country in the near future. that responsibly they govern the country in the near future.— china is another country that isn't evacuating its embassy, although it has told its citizens in kabul to stay indoors. beijing's foreign ministry said earlier it was willing to develop friendly relations with the taliban. translation: the afghan taliban has ex - ressed translation: the afghan taliban has expressed several— translation: the afghan taliban has expressed several times _ translation: the afghan taliban has expressed several times that - translation: the afghan taliban has expressed several times that they - expressed several times that they hope to develop good relations that china can expect china to participate in the rebuilding and deve

taliban at the airport. are you saying there were no taliban i taliban at the airport. are you - saying there were no taliban on the airfield _ saying there were no taliban on the airfield beginning _ saying there were no taliban on the airfield beginning the _ saying there were no taliban on the airfield beginning the transition - saying there were no taliban on the airfield beginning the transition to i airfield beginning the transition to controt— airfield beginning the transition to control on— airfield beginning the transition to control on either— airfield beginning the transition to control on either civilian... - airfield beginning the transition to control on either civilian... this i control on either civilian... this was some _ control on either civilian... this was some reporting _ control on either civilian... was some reporting yesterday control on either civilian..- was some reporting yesterday that the taliban were in control of the gates and then there was reporting that we were shutting down all evacuation operations in the course of the day. my point y

taliban?— on the taliban? there are some countries that _ on the taliban? there are some countries that have an influence with the taliban. the three countries that recognise the first taliban government back in the 19905, taliban government back in the 1990s, pakistan, one of the key neighbours obviously. saudi arabia the next saudi arabia and the uae. turkey who been operating at the airport and have some links with the taliban. qatar who hosted the political office of the taliban over the last few years and also china and to some degree russia and iran. so we are talking here of the neighbouring countries and some of the islamic countries that have had traditional links with the taliban. and if britain, america and the west want to influence events on the ground, it's very difficult and virtually impossible for them to do so directly and they will need to do so directly and they will need to do so vicariously through these other countries that do have direct links with the taliban. how then will the un security council play a part? the un security counci

taliban. . on a collision course with the taliban- at _ . on a collision course with the taliban. at the _ . urse with the | taliban. at the negotiation with . on a collision course with the - taliban. at the negotiation with the taliban. at the negotiation with the taliban will be an interesting thing to embark upon, some commentators saying that already come in such a short period of time have some legitimacy even though they have not been elected but they are the de facto authority. they have these extraordinary things to be seen of taliban and american and british forces keeping the peace for a greater or lesser extent, at the airport. greater or lesser extent, at the airort. . airport. the taliban were controlling _ airport. the taliban were controlling access - airport. the taliban were controlling access to - airport. the taliban were controlling access to the | airport. the taliban were - controlling access to the airport at the beginning and it was very chaotic and it looks as if there have been negotiations between britain, america and the taliban. and there are no cues at the airpo

taliban leaders. there are non-taliban leaders quite prominent. it sounds like they may be asked to join the government. if the taliban does allow in some folks like that, that is suggesting a slight degree of moderation. we will have a better sense of after the government is established. i will see how the tableau been -- taliban deals with the economic crisis in afghanistan. this is a group that does not do governance well. it is not known for having well policies. if it does not deal with the economic crisis soon, things could fire out of control. you could have spontaneous expressions of opposition and things could get -- looking at how the taliban handles these policy challenges, keeping in mind it does not have expanse with governance, that is what i will be looking for. host: michael kugelman is the deputy director for the wilson this year marks the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. join us for live coverage getting at 7 a.m. eastern saturday, september 11, on c-span, online at c-span.org, or listen on the radio app. ♪ a conversation with senator susan collins and jack reed, outlining their legislation aime

taliban. , , ~ ., taliban. they say they know each erson taliban. they say they know each person working — taliban. ch person working with the - taliban. they say they know each . person working with the government and theyjust person working with the government and they just want to kill them. it's a post, an official post. danil fled afghanistan _ it's a post, an official post. danil fled afghanistan nine _ it's a post, an official post. danil fled afghanistan nine years - it's a post, an official post. danil fled afghanistan nine years ago. he now lives in ipswich. he has written to his local mp to see if he can get his family out of the country. tom hunt's of this core danil back. they tell me he is in touch with the foreign office and is providing support to those with family in afghanistan. i support to those with family in afghanistan.— support to those with family in afghanistan. i am so sad about danil. afghanistan. i am so sad about danil- his _ afghanistan. i am so sad about danil. his family _ afghanistan. i am so sad about danil. his family are _ afghanistan. i am so sad about danil. hi

taliban are back and gaining _ killed. the taliban are back and gaining ground - killed. the talibanound against| and gaining ground against government forces. many people fear there will be a return to the brutal regime of the 90s. the taliban leadership say they have changed and want to work alongside the current government.- alongside the current government. . government. that was in the ast government. that was in the past some — government. that was in the past some mistakes - government. that was in the past some mistakes that - government. that was in the past some mistakes that we | government. that was in the - past some mistakes that we have learned from. in this two—part series i will be trying to find out if they are really willing to share power and what is at stake for the people of afghanistan. there is no way i can surrender to the taliban. none. no way. afghanistan, 2021. the us withdrawal has left a power vacuum that the taliban is rushing to fill. i come to the outskirts of kabul to meet someone who is the founder of a feminist magazine. at 26, she is one of millio

taliban?— on the taliban? there are some countries that _ on the taliban? s that have an - on the taliban? there are some countries that have an influence with the taliban. the fund 23 countries that recognise the first element government back in the 19905 pakistan one of the key neighbours, saudi arabia and the uae. you can add to that list turkey, who've been operating at the airport and have some links with the taliban will stop catarrh who have hosted the political office of the taliban over the last few years. —— political office of the taliban over the last few years. -- qatar. al5o china and some degree russia and iran. we are talking here of the neighbouring countries and some of the islamic countries that have had traditional link5 the islamic countries that have had traditional links with the taliban. and if britain, america and the west want to influence events on the ground it is very difficult and virtually impossible for them to do so directly and they will need to do so directly and they will need to do so vicariously through these other count

the taliban receive their — earth funds the taliban? the talibanive their money from _ earth funds the taliban? the taliban receive their money from a - earth funds the taliban? the taliban receive their money from a lot - earth funds the taliban? the taliban receive their money from a lot of. receive their money from a lot of sources, a lot of it criminal, whether it is extortion or linked to the drugs trade or other sources, but, how long is this going to go on? as i say, i hope that there will be a pause, and wise heads will prepail and those with influence upon the taliban will help to achieve that, so there can be a managed political transition that takes place. and that is within the next hours and days, i think, really, we are talking about. thank ou ve really, we are talking about. thank you very much _ really, we are talking about. thank you very much for _ really, we are talking about. thank you very much for your— really, we are talking about. thank you very much for your reflections | you very much for your reflections and analysis. in

taliban -- afghanistan? >> the situation differs in so many perspectives. you have the taliban being the government. now you have a government in kabul and a talibanfighting the government. the similarities -- the open alliance as the armed opposition has little territory with themselves and the taliban were almost ruling 95% of afghanistan while now the government is controlling half of the country and almost more than 200 districts are with the taliban, who is armed opposition, and apparently, is names that the alabama has taken the decision of attacking the urban centers. the government is talking about consolidation and capabilities to -- but apparently, it seems that the taliban are still having the momentum. what has not changed for the people of afghanistan is that back in 2001, there was a battle and in 2021, there is still battle going on in the provinces and they are in a state of war. >> do you think the taliban has the potential to take over the whole country again? >> the thing is that the taliban -- largely because of this vacuum that was created in the last stages of the withdrawal. on the strategic retreat. this strategic retreat c

taliban. the airport -- enemy of the taliban. the taliban airport —— enemy of the taliban. ue to project images of control. elements of a special commander unit, visible at key areas. as the new rulers a stay of their authority, western governments are figuring out how and when to deal with the taliban. the are figuring out how and when to deal with the taliban.— deal with the taliban. the reality is to be able _ deal with the taliban. the reality is to be able to _ deal with the taliban. the reality is to be able to engage, - deal with the taliban. the reality is to be able to engage, not - is to be able to engage, not recognise, but engage and test whether— recognise, but engage and test whether they're serious about wanting — whether they're serious about wanting those assurances and being clear about what the community will do. clear about what the community will d0~ and _ clear about what the community will do. and what they will not do if we see the _ do. and what they will not do if we see the barbaric practices of the past _ see the barbaric practices of the ast. .,

taliban? i allies in the agreement that he made with the taliban?— with the taliban? th the taliban? i think that agreement and the _ with the taliban? i think that i agreement and the involvement with the taliban? i think that - agreement and the involvement of secretary of state pompeo will be on both their reputation permanently. they did not involve the government of afghanistan either. that is the signal to the taliban that they were facing a weak administration in donald trump and i can they based week administration injoe biden as well. i seriously don't think they're going to disrupt the evacuation. why should they? the power they have sought to grasp for 20 years it is within reach and it would be very foolish to disrupt at this point. but that shows their patients, and no indication of how they will behave once we are gone. $2.26 trillion is what the us bank in afghanistan. you said that you would not have implemented this evacuation. what would you have done? what would be the alternative? your number of $2.26 trillion is not even remotely close to what the

that want to be i taliban that want to be contributors _ taliban that want to be contributors to - talibanontributors to a free world and a — contributors to a free world and a free _ contributors to a free world and a free society, - contributors to a free world and a free society, i- contributors to a free world and a free society, i will i and a free society, i will fight _ and a free society, i will fight for— and a free society, i will fight for that. _ and a free society, i will fight for that. i- and a free society, i will fight for that.— and a free society, i will fight for that. i will die for that. that _ fight for that. i will die for that. that is _ fight for that. i will die for that. that is the _ fight for that. i will die for that. that is the america | fight for that. i will die for i that. that is the america these former translators believe about their faith in the us might has been tested and now they can only wait and pray theirfamilies make it out they can only wait and pray their families make it out of afghanistan alive. the us vice president kamala harris has been

uk. were so surprised by the speed of the taliban in advance.— the taliban in advance. 0k, nick, ou will the taliban nick, you will be _ the taliban in advance. 0k, nick, you will be busy _ the taliban in advance. 0k, nick, you will be busy tomorrow. - the taliban in advance. 0k, nick, | you will be busy tomorrow. thank the taliban in advance. 0k, nick, - you will be busy tomorrow. thank you very much indeed. now it's time for the papers. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are author and journalist yasmin alibhai—brown and henry zeffman, chief political correspondent at the times. that evening to you both. a quick look through some of those friends pages. the telegraph leads with priti patel calling on european countries to offer sanctuary to afghan�*s fleeing the taliban. the home secretary has said britain will grant asylum to 20,000 refugees. similarly, the guardian leads with the headline that the uk is set to take in 20,000 refugees from afghanistan. women, children and religious minorities are set to be proritised. 0n the front page

taliban are seeing they will not _ promising? the taliban are seeing they will not harm _ promising? the talibanng? the taliban are seeing they will not harm anyone, they i promising? the taliban are seeing i they will not harm anyone, they will not target anyone, they will protect businesses but we will have to see how that taliban transition from the military attacks on the military side of things into the politics and what sort of government we might be looking at and what sort of settlement. it is definitely something that was in the making over the last few days if not weeks and hours. my colleague said to you earlier on the messaging from the government was also confusing. the president said he was working on reorganising the afghan national security forces while he has left the ri last all have his cards and the ri last all have his cards and the military has surrendered and it is still a very fluid and confusing situation. ~ , ., , ., ~' is still a very fluid and confusing situation. ~ , ., , ., ~ , situation. why do you think it is re orted situation. why do you think it is reported tha

taliban. let's have a closer look at the taliban itself. it's two years since it was toppled by the u.s.. the american government lamed the talibanblamed the taliban for harboring al qaeda. the taliban says it has changed since it was last in power. we have more on how they may govern this time around. reporter: step-by-step, a return to rule. ever since the taliban signed a deal last year with the u.s., their old enemy, they have been emboldened. moments like this started to shift their international image. then suddenly, this summer, district by district, they were back in charge. these scenes were recently filmed for us in a province at the gates of kabul. scenes of an orderly transition, the taliban taking over, taking care of the people. but more grislyeos have been surfacing. alleged abuses and atrocities. whato you say to those who fear the return of the taliban? >> they should not fear because the government that will come after this will be acceptable to all. reporter: taliban rule that returns to afghanistan will be different than the one they govern so harshly in the lat 1990's. we have reported on the change, however

taliban have reached out? we've i taliban have reached out? we've discussed a _ taliban have reached out? ussed a lot with _ taliban have reached out? we've discussed a lot with the - taliban have reached out? we've discussed a lot with the taliban, | discussed a lot with the taliban, they've been cooperative in extending some of the perimeter, it remains to be seen whether we ask that question. fire away.— that question. fire away. because the united states _ that question. fire away. because the united states has _ that question. fire away. because the united states has now - that question. fire away. because i the united states has now negotiated with the _ the united states has now negotiated with the taliban, _ the united states has now negotiated with the taliban, do _ the united states has now negotiated with the taliban, do you _ the united states has now negotiated with the taliban, do you not - the united states has now negotiated with the taliban, do you not trust i with the taliban, do you not trust them? _ with the taliban, do you not trust them? and — with the taliban, do you

taliban. indeed, and to pick _ exclusion of the taliban. indeed, and to pick up — exclusion of the taliban. usion of the taliban. indeed, and to pick up on some - exclusion of the taliban. indeed, and to pick up on some of - exclusion of the taliban. indeed, and to pick up on some of your. and to pick up on some of your points, i mean, they are currently in places like herat, and we are already hearing that university students, 3 million students being told to go back home and wait, that they don't have orders about what to do next in terms of the university. so a lot of concern when people in kabul look at what is happening in places like herat and kandahar, with people being pushed out of work and school, especially women. absolutely, that is absolutely true. in terms of what a taliban government would look like, the reports show a variation. some credible reports, eyewitness reports show mistreatment of women, harsh punishment, women being targeted for how they look. and at times, women being denied, being told to go to home from work and their place of education. some are said to be temp

taliban. �* ., ., ., ~ taliban. bill roggio, thank you so much for— taliban. bill roggio, thank you so much forjoining _ taliban. bill roggio, thank you so much forjoining us on - so much forjoining us on newsday with your thoughts. for more on the situation in kabul, you can go to the bbc news website. there's a live page running for the very latest information, and also this explainer from our security correspondent frank gardner on the group known as isis k, which is thought to have carried out the attack. in fact, claimed responsibility for the attack. if you want to get in touch with me on any of the stories, the main story you've seen on newsday this morning, i am on twitter. @bbckarishma i'm looking forward to hearing from you. you're watching newsday on the bbc. still to come on the programme: seeking another escape route — thousands of afghans travel to the border with pakistan, but many are not being allowed through. he's the first african—american to win the presidential nomination of a major party, and he accepts exactly 45 years ago to the day that martin luther king declared, "i have a dream." as da

taliban style court? _ herself. .. will it be a taliban style court? will— herself... will it be a taliban style court? there - herself... will it be a taliban style court? will there be . herself... will it be a taliban - style court? will there bejudges? can women bejudges, for example? there will be courtjudges, women can have access to work. the position, that is for the future government. 50 position, that is for the future government-— position, that is for the future government. position, that is for the future covernment. ., government. so the government will decide where — government. so the government will decide where people _ government. so the government will decide where people can _ government. so the government will decide where people can work- government. so the government will decide where people can work and i decide where people can work and where they can go... that will all be up to the government? where they can go. .. that will all be up to the government?- where they can go... that will all be up to the government? that's for future government. _ be up to the government? that'

the taliban is still the tatihan— purely pr. the taliban is still the talibanuoin to for the taliban? i think this is going to be — for the taliban? i think this is going to be quite _ for the taliban? i think this is going to be quite a _ for the taliban? i think this is going to be quite a difficult i for the taliban? i think this is i going to be quite a difficult and jarring issue for lots of western countries. we are in the grim situation where they are our security partners having carried out so many attacks against us. in terms of the future of of the country and what happens to the people living under taliban control there will have to be some kind of coordination and working together. just because the taliban have a press operation and twitter accounts to say some sound bite media friendly things it does not mean this is taliban 2.0 or taliban light. we have tojudge does not mean this is taliban 2.0 or taliban light. we have to judge them tjy taliban light. we have to judge them by the actions rather than their words. there are still reports even thoug

taliban and _ this strike. do you consider the taliban and the _ this strike. do you consider the taliban, ., entities? i won't give you a breakdown _ entities? i won't give you a breakdown of _ entities? i won't give you a i breakdown of characterisation of entities? i won't give you a - breakdown of characterisation of the taliban. you've got to remember what we are focused on here and that is on getting more people out, getting our troops out and completing this mission and i'm not sure what benefit it does for me to try to characterise one group or another. the deputy leader of the taliban has a bounty— the deputy leader of the taliban has a bounty on— the deputy leader of the taliban has a bounty on his _ the deputy leader of the taliban has a bounty on his head _ the deputy leader of the taliban has a bounty on his head so— the deputy leader of the taliban has a bounty on his head so are - the deputy leader of the taliban has a bounty on his head so are the i a bounty on his head so are the separate — a bounty on his head so are the separate entities? _ a bounty on his head so are t

taliban. that may be but we are still there- _ taliban. that may be but we are still there. that _ taliban. liban. that may be but we are still there. that is a _ taliban. that may be but we are still there. that is a good - still there. that is a good oint still there. that is a good point and _ still there. that is a good point and thank - still there. that is a good point and thank you - still there. that is a good point and thank you very | still there. that is a good - point and thank you very much indeed for talking us. thank you. it indeed for talking us. thank ou. , ., , ., , indeed for talking us. thank ou. , ., ~ you. it is a pleasure, thank ou. the bbc�*s nomia iqbal is in washington. just expand a little bit on his perspective because, as i understand it, he is holding firm on this extension, not an extension, the deadline of us forces but is it absolute? that is right. you staying firm on it but i have to be honest with you, it is not a surprise that he did not extend the deadline because the cold truth of the matter is that it is notjust the us calling the shots here all the ot

, the country being under the — of the taliban, the country being under the taliban's— of the talibanome. —— they. could be blockaded. ithink the idea of six _ could be blockaded. ithink the idea of six months. _ could be blockaded. ithink the idea of six months, half _ could be blockaded. ithink the idea of six months, half a _ could be blockaded. ithink the idea of six months, half a year, - could be blockaded. ithink the idea of six months, half a year, that - of six months, half a year, that could _ of six months, half a year, that could change _ of six months, half a year, that could change during _ of six months, half a year, that could change during that- of six months, half a year, that could change during that time i of six months, half a year, that. could change during that time but of six months, half a year, that - could change during that time but i don't _ could change during that time but i don't think— could change during that time but i don't think what _ could change during that time but i don't think what we _ could change during that time but i don't think what we

taliban and an ally of al qaeda. there are a number of smaller groups like the pakistani taliban. its fighters fought alongside the afghan talibaninst the afghan government. reports seem to suggest that isil-k are linked to the taliban via a third party and that party is the hakani network. what is the relationship between the three? >> it's not really clear that the hakani network is linked to isis. it is definitely the case that the haqqanis are linked to pakistani intelligence and al qaeda. the haqqanis occupy a position in the senior leadership of the taliban, and my institute, the new lines institute, published a piece today by an afghan journalist, who interviewed the youngest son of the founder of the haqqani network. in that piece, it is very clear that the taliban -- the haqqanis are very much taliban and they want to gain power. yes, this is a fluid battle space. the more hard-line elements tend to be disillusioned very easily if the taliban start to make compromises on ideology. a lot of these haqqanis can go over to isis and because the haqqanis are linked to not just al qaeda but other foreign fighters, like people

taliban. i attacks against afghans by the taliban. ~ ., , attacks against afghans by the taliban. ~ . , , talibane _ taliban. i think many people would recognise the, - taliban. i think many people would recognise the, as - taliban. i think many people would recognise the, as you| taliban. i think many people . would recognise the, as you put it, the safe haven that always provided that opportunity for the taliban to regroup as you put it, but was it wrong, completely misplaced, to believe that the nature of a military force in afghanistan, the designer structure, frankly on the entire society couldn't be changed because we were just talking about some of the extraordinary steps forward, the progress made within afghanistan, at least in the way that we might in the west consider a proper way to go. women being able to work, young girls being able to be educated, these have been positive things that have been promoted and brought on largely by us support. promoted and brought on largely by us suoport-— by us support. those are the benefits of _ by us support. those are the benefits of the _ by us

taliban informed us — entire process. theme taliban informed us they _ entire process. theme talibange of civilians and we intend to hold them to that. there _ and we intend to hold them to that. there is— and we intend to hold them to that. there is a _ and we intend to hold them to that. there is a far— and we intend to hold them to that. there is a far longer—term loss of control to consider. 0n there is a far longer—term loss of control to consider. on wednesday evening, secretary of state antony blinken tweeted. .. he goes on... as mr bullington knows, it's the taliban which is in power now. all the way back to the 90s, and having spent 20 years fighting the us and its allies, this is no concern because whatever the leaders say or tweet come the reality is their influence is dwindling and the democracy they helped created is gone. it will be to china, russia and ireland that the taliban listen. —— iran on. it's an uncomfortable situation after thousands of lives lost. you can find more analysis elsewhere on the bbc. 0ur find more analysis elsewhere on the bbc. our bbc find more

the taliban is a more extremist _ taliban context? the talibaniban is a more extremist aversion of l a more extremist aversion of these issues. we usually distinguish between islam as a religious tradition, as part of a complex and nearly 2 billion people strong faith community thatis people strong faith community that is culturally quite divergent and then political islam, where they have different goals which include terrorism, include political violence. we can talk about isis, we can talk about the taliban as having this revivalist tradition. so the idea that the taliban will be using a form of islamic law thatis using a form of islamic law that is faithful to islamic practice, which is supposed to be equality before the law, there is supposed to be equal rights between the sexes, inclusive governments. the idea that the taliban will be practising a kind of faithful notion of it law, i think is a bridge too far, it is quite a stretch, i think. bridge too far, it is quite a stretch, ithink. professor, thank yom _ stretch, ithink. professor, th

taliban. the taiibah_ the way it regards the taliban. the taliban are — the way it regards the taliban. le partner than they were but ithink— palatable partner than they were but i think clearly from what we have seen _ i think clearly from what we have seen they— i think clearly from what we have seen they have not respected the agreements they have signed up to before _ agreements they have signed up to before and i think it is naive to assume — before and i think it is naive to assume that they will not be imposing their oppressive ideology on huge _ imposing their oppressive ideology on huge parts of the country like before — on huge parts of the country like before do — on huge parts of the country like before. ,, . on huge parts of the country like before. i. ., ., , on huge parts of the country like before. ., ., , ., before. do you have any cause to ho -e that before. do you have any cause to hope that when _ before. do you have any cause to hope that when we _ before. do you have any cause to hope that when we hear- before. do you have any cause to hope that when we hear the - b

taliban?— though, the taliban? look, what these talks _ though, the taliban? look, what these talks have _ though, the taliban? se talks have done is - though, the taliban? look, what these talks have done is they've| these talks have done is they've given the taliban the sense that the international community is willing to engage with them —— empower the taliban. the taliban have a sense that the world wants to have a relationship with them and that even if they don't negotiate meaningfully, there is a possibility that they will have international recognition if they come to power literally. mr recognition if they come to power literall. ~ a ., recognition if they come to power literall . ~ ~ , ., ~ recognition if they come to power literall . ~ ~ , . ~ ., ~ literally. mr asfandyar mir, thank ou so literally. mr asfandyar mir, thank you so much _ literally. mr asfandyar mir, thank you so much on _ literally. mr asfandyar mir, thank you so much on newsday - literally. mr asfandyar mir, thank you so much on newsday on - literally. mr asfandyar mir, thank you so much on newsday on that| literally. mr asfandyar mi

taliban? �* , , ., ., taliban? i'm still very alarmed b the taliban? i'm still very alarmed by the trajectory _ taliban? tory of _ taliban? i'm still very alarmed by the trajectory of the - by the trajectory of the situation in afghanistan. to the taliban have made it quite clear that they have no interest in a democratic political system and that we are staring at the repossession of the kind of autocracy that they ran in the late 1990s. the situation on the ground seems febrile as the events yesterday in jalalabad febrile as the events yesterday injalalabad suggest febrile as the events yesterday in jalalabad suggest and febrile as the events yesterday injalalabad suggest and given the evidence from 2019 that 85% of the population had no sympathy whatsoever for the taliban i think it might only take a couple of clashes for things to spend in a very dangerous direction with possible shooting at crowds and things like that so i think we are farfrom out things like that so i think we are far from out of the woods at this point and so are the afghan people. in at this point and so are the afghan people.— a

and this taliban is that the taliban of 2001 were new. and now this talibanexperienced, disciplined. our activities are going well. we are obeying our leaders. >> reporter: a lot of people are concerned that if the taliban takes power again, women's rights will move backwards. how can you guarantee that women's rights will be protected? >> translator: we assure this to people all over the world, especially the people of afghanistan. islam has given rights to everyone equally. women have their own rights. how much islam has given rights to women, we will give them that much. >> reporter: that is clearly open for interpretation. next to the mosque, we find a classroom of young girls. but their teacher says they will only receive religious education and will not attend regular school. at night, i am separated from my male colleagues and sleep in the women's part of the house with the children. i've been talking to some of the women in this room, and i promised that i wouldn't show any of their faces. but it's interesting because, you know, the taliban talks a lo

taliban. the first concerns or afghans— for the taliban. the first concerns or afghans who _ for the talibanaliban. the first concerns l or afghans who feel threatened and wish to— or afghans who feel threatened and wish to leave — or afghans who feel threatened and wish to leave. the _ or afghans who feel threatened and wish to leave. the taliban - or afghans who feel threatened and wish to leave. the taliban has - or afghans who feel threatened andl wish to leave. the taliban has taken commitments— wish to leave. the taliban has taken commitments and _ wish to leave. the taliban has taken commitments and we _ wish to leave. the taliban has taken commitments and we are _ wish to leave. the taliban has taken commitments and we are asking - wish to leave. the taliban has taken l commitments and we are asking them to adhere _ commitments and we are asking them to adhere to _ commitments and we are asking them to adhere to those _ commitments and we are asking them to adhere to those commitments. - commitments and we are asking them j to adhere to those commitments. this resolution— to adhere t

taliban is attempting _ airport? no, not at all. and the taliban is attempting to - airport? no, not at all. and the talibano assert | airport? no, not at all. and the i taliban is attempting to assert its authority over a chaotic situation outside the airport and certainly in kabul as well, and these terrorist attacks presumably from isis k are an immense threat both to their credibility and to the ability to control and restore some form of order in afghanistan.— order in afghanistan. president biden said _ order in afghanistan. president biden said on _ order in afghanistan. president biden said on july _ order in afghanistan. president biden said on july eight - order in afghanistan. president biden said on july eight that. order in afghanistan. president | biden said on july eight that the biden said onjuly eight that the us had degraded the terrorist threat in afghanistan. what is your assessment of that statement in the light of what happened today? essen of that statement in the light of what happened today? even before what happened today? even before what happened _ what happened today? even befor

the taliban has sought to portray itself as more moderate yet people are wondering if this really is the taliban 2.0. >> the situation in kabul is really good now. the talibanere and we have taken control of security and we will hold it till the end. >> taliban have made a number of statements that on the surface are reassuring but actions speak deeper than words. it is very early. it is very fluid. it is very hard to say what is happening exactly. >> yet the taliban are in high spirits and defiant afghanistan's days as a battlefield are overpaid he said he hopes people would stop fleeing and stated to be assets to the nation. >> we have -- everyone, all those who have fought against us. don't want a repeat of war. we want to do away with the factors of conflict. the islamic emirate of afghanistan does not have conflict with anybody. we want the fighting to end. >> he stated journalists should remain free and independent to critique group so it can improve. one journalist asked, you say you can forgive everyone but do you think the victims can forgive you? for afghans on all sides, there is a lot of healing ahead. >> let's take a closer look at how the tali

as the taliban find them and the taliban know that i have worked with internationals, they will of course find them and see them as hostages. >> everyone knows taliban and taliban are just killing people like butchers and we cannot believe them. >> the men along with their wives and children are safe with these -- with their families in refugee shelters. quick they should bring all our families that they left behind in afghanistan because taliban will have killed them all. >> the fact that they made it to germany is little consolation to them given the current situation. >> of course, i am here. i am safe my mind is not safe, my heart is not safe. if my family is there, it means i am there. >> they talked to their relatives in afghanistan every day. nothing has happened to people so far. they can only hope that it stays that way. >> let's look at some of the other stories making headlines around the world. the meeting aims to increase pressure on moscow to end its occupation of the black sea peninsula. armenia's international status has been unclear since russia unilaterally annexed the territory back into any 14. the president is in stable conditio

taliban? the taliban have _ relationship with the taliban? he country as a new taliban and they want to have ties with the world but how do the corp with certain issues, women's education, girls education freedom of press? we will have to see because those issues are real, for the taliban and afghan people and the international community thoseissues and the international community those issues are real. istale and the international community those issues are real.— and the international community those issues are real. we are 'ust heanna those issues are real. we are 'ust hearing that fl those issues are real. we are 'ust hearing that the i those issues are real. we are 'ust hearing that the prime i those issues are real. we are just hearing that the prime minister i those issues are real. we are just l hearing that the prime minister will be chairing a corporate meeting on afghanistan beginning right now stop plans for wider asylum and any eligibility to the resettlement scheme will be decided in the next few —— cobra. days. it's a cool day wi