so the taliban went to war with the taliban let afghanistan in 2000. what we have seen with iran over the more recent years, particularly with its relationship -- particularly as its relationship with the u.s. got worse, it started to funnel arms to the taliban. i think that's was -- that was meant to poke the u.s. in the eye and present more strength to america's rival in afghanistan. for iran, its major interest and concern is the she a muslim community in afghanistan. they are the religious minority in afghanistan, a very vulnerable community. the taliban, many of the murder. i run will wordy -- worry about their security. i think they will look to get reassurances that [indiscernible] iran does have a potential asset in afghanistan. there is a shia built militia on afghanistan that iran cultivated to deploy to the middle east and fight in the wars there. iran has the option if things came to to reconstitute that afghan/shia militia and try to deploy to protect the shieh community. that is an advantage iran has. final point, it worries about the tal

to the taliban.liban government, and will probably be recognising it. russia has had talks already, but encouragingly, russia special�*s envoy to afghanistan has spoken to his opposite number in the us, so thatis his opposite number in the us, so that is encouraging because the only way that is going to be lasting peace in afghanistan is if all the countries in the region can agree on what it looks like. i have to say that to looking down the future, i think the west will be a lot less relevant. china will want its mineral resources from afghanistan it russia well one day peaceful stable border or border area on those southern republics that stand between afghanistan and its own territory. iran has its own interests there. ararat is very close to the iranian border. but all of those countries will certainly china, russia and iran that have bad relations at the united states will, to some extent, i think, be not exactly growing, but certainly want to be back to satisfied to see the humiliation of a co

the taliban have...l, what we see right now is the united states has cut off all of afghanistan's dollar reserves. that's billions and billions of us dollars. we see the imf has also, for the moment, suspended all economic assistance to afghanistan. we see an economy that, until two weeks ago, was 40% reliant on international economic aid and assistance. that's all gone. you'd think if the taliban were serious about trying to get some of those economic lifelines restored, they might be doing more to reach out in terms of guaranteeing rights, guaranteeing political pluralism. we're not seeing it. yeah. and that's what we are trying to get them to understand, the severity of the economy of the country, the enormity of the responsibility on their shoulders, and they must... time should be of the essence, enough urgency to them and that a political settlement, absolutely something that the economy of the future of this country will depend upon. and we hope they realise the enormity of the responsibility that

replacing it with a taliban flag.e have seen that a lot in the capital. it has left a lot of people very upset. >> the international monetary fund is withholding 400 60 million dollars from afghanistan citing a lack of clarity over government recognition. the u.s. has frozen $9.5 billion of afghan government assets. nearly the entire reserve of its central bank. the u.s. defense secretary has concluded evacuations from kabul have not met their target. lloyd austin has said american troops don't have the capacity to extend the on the airport perimeter to get -- to help you get more people out of afghanistan. the british prime minister says the u.k. will do all that can to avert a humanitarian crisis in afghanistan. boris johnson says he does not believe military action against the taliban is an option. president joe biden says he disagrees with the world health organizations warning against giving coronavirus booster shots. he has unveiled plans to offer them from september. stay with us. inside story is up next. ♪ >>

so how does the rise of the taliban, the re-emergence of the l taliban, the re—emergence of the talibanfit into that picture for china? ., ., , taliban fit into that picture for china? . . , . taliban fit into that picture for china? . ., ., , ., china? china has had long-standing arrangements _ china? china has had long-standing arrangements with _ china? china has had long-standing arrangements with taliban - china? china has had long-standing arrangements with taliban when - china? china has had long-standing. arrangements with taliban when they were in government last time. china was one of the few with access to have investment and economic interest in the country. taliban know that in a situation where they will struggle for legitimacy internationally, they will not get aid from the west, another government might find china a lifeline on the economic side. there will be trying to create the conditions for at least a good political relationship with the chinese. there was a prominent meeting which took place recently between the chinese foreign minister in which the taliban made st

today i saw the taliban in kabul. - taliban in kabul now? yes. today i saw the taliban in kabul.aw the taliban in kabul. we were | saw the taliban in kabul. we were out in the western outskirts of city and there was a stream of taliban fighters coming out of the city on captured police rangers, and they're being cheered by by standers and little children running after them. it was an extraordinary scene. what about the institutions, the authorities, the security forces in kabul, what happened to them? they have completely meanted away —— melted away, collapsed. it started today. there was a rumour the taliban were inside the city. it wasn't true, they were on the outskirts. but soon you saw police abandoning their posts and changing into plain cloths and soon the city was full of soldiers without their uniforms trying to get out, to not be the last ones killed in a war that was lost. and the taliban was sending people to government facilities to facilitate a handover, so they weren't in the city in the force today, but the transition is very much under way. t force today, but the

. . , ., ., , taliban are here.t many --eole taliban are here. that is what many peeple should _ taliban are here. that is what many people should be _ taliban are here. that is what many people should be careful— taliban are here. that is what many people should be careful about, - taliban are here. that is what many| people should be careful about, with what we have seen. if you say the taliban have entered the city, it will create panic. as we know, as of now, after speaking to my colleagues, they were only seen on the outskirts. they were also not in an aggressive posture, according to another colleague. so we have to understand, there are talks going on as we speak, both in the presidential palace and in doha, the interior minister of afghanistan has issued a video saying there are talks about a peaceful transfer of power, a transitional government. quite a dramatic statement coming out from a senior government officials. we have still not heard from the presidential palace, so i'm only giving you what the inte

yes, the taliban are letting people through right now but the taliban is the taliban so the chances of something breaking out is there. it is not without risk. host: in illinois, you are next. caller: good morning. a long time ago i watched a documentary called -- about a forward base in a valley. soldiers were getting shot at from the high ground. as an unsophisticated person, you would watch this and say who would put a forward base in a valley. my point is this, we were there for 20 years. we were told this was not vietnam. why did we fail? what would it have taken to win? did we need to use tactical nuclear weapons? did we need to change completely the rules of engagement? how could we have won? as assumed people had thought this out about why we were there. what did winnie look like and why didn't we win -- what does winning look like and why didn't we win? host: thank you for the call, bill. guest: that base was in the cornwall valley. i have been to the cornwall valley. the soldiers in that unit were there for 15 months, day after day of patrolling and standing watch and trying

the american government lamed the taliban -- blamed the taliban for harboring al qaeda. taliban says it has changed since it was last in power. we have more on how they may govern this time around. reporter: step-by-step, a return to rule. ever since the taliban signed a deal last year with the u.s., their old enemy, they have been emboldened. moments like this started to shift their international image. then suddenly, this summer, district by district, they were back in charge. these scenes were recently filmed for us in a province at the gates of kabul. scenes of an orderly transition, the taliban taking over, taking care of the people. but more grislyeos have been surfacing. alleged abuses and atrocities. whato you say to those who fear the return of the taliban? >> they should not fear because the government that will come after this will be acceptable to all. reporter: taliban rule that returns to afghanistan will be different than the one they govern so harshly in the lat 1990's. we have reported on the change, however imperfect over the last two decades. no one ex

the taliban regime. nation—building mission, and that is clearly been a failure. there were gains that were made for afghan people over these years, in terms of education, health, women's right, how long those gains will endure is now very much in question. and so you have to consider there was a two—part mission by the united states in afghanistan — counterterrorism and regime change. he first had some successes. the second distinct lean not, because we are back to where we started 20 years ago.— started 20 years ago. laurel miller there from the _ started 20 years ago. laurel miller there from the international... - colonel chris kolenda, author of zero—sum victory: what we're getting wrong about war, led the us troops as commander to fight against the taliban in 2007. i have got a personal reaction and a policy reaction. my personal reaction is it is very upsetting, it is very disappointing. i've got afghan friends who i am messaging back and forth who are very concerned about their safety, their pers

a government that would be acceptable to the taliban, led by the taliban. that would see the taliban take over the city of roughly 6 million people, without it descending into anarchy and chaos. >> just an extraordinary update there. we are talking about a potential transfer of power by tonight, as your reporting. richard, you've been also tweeting from -- visa application centers were people afghans have literally begged you for help. what are you seeing? begg it is unclear that this transition government will take place tonight? there is some talk about the government might see that there will be a transition period for six months, led by the taliban. we'll have to wait for more details as they emerge from this meeting. which i think we're going to get in the next several hours. the negotiations are one thing. having the power on the ground is what the taliban has right now. and yes, afghans, many of them want to leave. we were at a visa processing center earlier today, and there were many afghans in their. they were crowded in their. they were leaning ov

there is a huge pakistani taliban presence, people disaffected by the pakistani taliban or who were inups who crossed over into isis. this is seen as a for tile battle space -- as a fertile battle space by isis. >> let me get this straight. what you are saying also is the group, in your opinion, wants to establish a caliphate and also wants to reestablish some sort of relevance in afghanistan. >> they are already relevant. they just have to expand their operations. they have to take advantage of the strategic vacuum that has been created. they will want to expand into pakistan as well, where there is fertile ground. places on the western periphery of afghanistan that were formerly under the control at one point, from 2007 to the early 2010s, by the pakistani taliban. this is a battle space that they know. at the end of the day, isis in afghanistan are people from outside. this is isis parachuting people from the mothership. in the arab world, these are locals who are battle hardened, they know the terrain, and they are coming out under a new label and see they have a better opportunity

they've had many battles with the existing taliban and seems like the taliban was pointing the finger to groups like this. how does this complicate our getting out of town effort, presumably to get done by tuesday? >> i would suggest this is the reason that the president has decided to get out of afghanistan. the problem is when you pull out of places like afghanistan, you leave a vacuum. whenever you're in a situation of withdrawal like we are right now with the u.s. military withdrawing by tuesday, you have a situation where terror groups will try to take advantage of that. they did that with the sovieting in 19899. they want to look like they're firing on you the way out. this is the nightmare scenario the pentagon planned for. they knew it was a possibility but it was the worst case scenario. it's highly improbable thepresident will beside to ramp up and send more forces, stay, take over bagram air base. those seem like possibilities that i'm having here at the pentagon. general mckenzie said that he still has 5,200 troops on the ground in kabul at the airport. he does not anticip

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ambassador basically to the taliban negotiations has askedal the taliban, do not come into kabul under strength under the americans are out. so, it's not a question of they're not coming in, it's don't come in until americans and their allies are evacuated hopefully within 72 hours. the initial troop withdrawal from afghanistan to target multiple cities in recent days. this morning the taliban did seize control of the eastern city of jalalabad near the pakistan border. just yesterdaypa the taliban captured sharif after we were on air yesterday morning and jalalabad and kabul are still in government possession and now only one of those three cities are under control of the government.co we're not sure how much control the government has over kabul. this follows the taliban's recent capture of key cities of kandahar and, their spiritual home and take over of the country. right now 25 of the 34 capitals are in taliban control and only one major city is not and that major city is kabul. joining me from there because you are going to find this man in a place where everybody else has left in

and presumably, this taliban escalation is -- certainly not to have complete taliban control.d they bring to bear on this equation? >> all the players in the region, the iranians, russians, chinese, indians, pakistanis, they all have their own desired outcome, priorities, and those do not align. you will see a lot of jostling for power. you will see attempts at patronage and proxy warfare. as this situation develops. and typically, from my study of insurgencies, the more entities involved, the longer something lasts so that is not a good sign. >> what is your gut feeling about where this is heading? >> heading into 2022, we will be looking at and afghanistan controlled by the taliban in large portions of the country. not entirely. at that time, we are likely to see the growth of transnational jihadist groups like al qaeda, like others. my main concern, my main fear is that afghanistan one -- once again turns into a magnet for foreign fighters and there is a mobilization which acts as a force multiplier for many of the most dangerous terrorist groups there. >> what is your sens

what are the taliban promising?— west. what are the taliban ”romisin? . ., , promising?taliban are seeing they will not _ promising? the taliban are seeing they will not harm _ promising? the taliban are seeing they will not harm anyone, - promising? the taliban are seeing they will not harm anyone, they i promising? the taliban are seeing i they will not harm anyone, they will not target anyone, they will protect businesses but we will have to see how that taliban transition from the military attacks on the military side of things into the politics and what sort of government we might be looking at and what sort of settlement. it is definitely something that was in the making over the last few days if not weeks and hours. my colleague said to you earlier on the messaging from the government was also confusing. the president said he was working on reorganising the afghan national security forces while he has left the ri last all have his cards and the ri last all have his cards and the military has surrendered and it is still a very fluid and confusing situation. ~ , .,

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, ., ,., taliban? there will be a potent element. taliban?tent element. as an economic- taliban? there will be a potent element. as an economic crisis taliban? there will be a potent i element. as an economic crisis in the country clearly as a result of what is happen. there's also a humanitarian crisis. the taliban want to be able to demonstrate that they can run a government and run it more effectively than they did 20 years ago. and to do that they will need external assistance. at the moment the existing government, still the legitimate government in many peoples eyes have money overseas particularly in the united states. and that money has been frozen. there is a deal to be done if they want that money released in support of their own efforts of governance in kabul. also, afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world and it's something like 60%, 70% of its gdp is an overseas aid. if they don't get any future aid and that means mainly from the west and the international institutions then the country will degenerate very fast an

-taliban talks in doha. meanwhile, former afghan president hamid karzai held talks today with the head of the haqqani network, a powerful faction of the taliban. this all comes as the taliban moves to secure its control of afghanistan. on tuesday, the taliban held a news conference where they promised amnesty for former government officials and pledged to eradicate opium production. the taliban also made promises to protect some rights of journalists and women. >> government offices will be activated soon and all employees, including women, returned to work and work in areas permitted by sharia law. we and you see that in the field of medicine, education, police, and other sectors of society. we need women because it is a necessity of society. amy: despite the taliban's pledges, many women across afghanistan have not left their homes since the taliban seized control. earlier today, the taliban opened fire on hundreds of protesters in northeastern jalalabad who marched through the streets holding the black, r

— taliban promising? well, taliban narsinah taliban promising?liban i narsingh they will not harm anyone, they will not target anyone. —— taliban are saying. but we will have to see how the taliban transition from the military attacks into the politics and what sort of a government we might be looking at but it is definitely something that was in the making of the last few days if not weeks. my colleague said to you earlier on, the messaging from the government was also confusing. president ghani said he was working on reorganising the afghan security forces while he has literally long lost all of us cards, the military has surrendered, the senior government has surrendered so it is still a very fluid and confusing situation. why do you think it has _ confusing situation. why do you think it has been _ confusing situation. why do you think it has been reported i confusing situation. why do you think it has been reported thatl think it has been reported that caliban spokesman has instructed taliban fighters to stay out of kabulfor taliban fighters

taliban has been. taliban has been. it 3 complicated because afghanistan is so important to iran, both economically and regard to the amount of trade but also because afghanistan is home to so many she a muslim. the islamic regime of iran is sheer. and that is key to understanding the difference between the taliban and the islamic regime of iran when it comes to their relationship. the taliban is here and the islamic regime of iran is sheer. and historically they have been better enemies. there was one key event where the taliban assassinated almost one dozen iranians diplomats and a journalist and it almost led to war between the two. instead, a run opted to co—operate with the us in order to topple the taliban. come 2001, the us led invasion in afghanistan and that calculation changed on iran's part. they began cooperating with the taliban and to stave off the us influence, so much so that the us officials accused iran of having supplied weapons and money to the taliban, something the iranians deny.

did things get better after the taliban left?— after the taliban left?after the taliban left? they could only get better, really. _ after the taliban left? they could only get better, really. i- after the taliban left? they could i only get better, really. i witnessed over a dozen trips in the last few years and an incredible wakening of women. and i've seen them as activists, human rights activists, lawyers, doctors, parliamentarians, politicians, it was incredible and to really, we promoted democracy, we encouraged women to be independent, defined the voices and obviously afghanistan is a deeply conservative culture, so they had to do that sort of, with the permission of the families, but was incredible to watch women reallyjust defined in afghanistan. the photos you've taken of life there — such an insight into life there — afghan girls in school, women voting — now that the taliban are back in charge, what do you fear for women there the most? i'm terrified and as they are, on my phone messages from women crying saying they can she give my sister out

the taliban is a more extremist _ context? the taliban is a more extremist version _ context?sion of these - context? the taliban is a more i extremist version of these issues. we usually distinguish between islam as a religious tradition, as part of as a religious tradition, as part of a complex and nearly 2 billion people strong faith and political islam, where more extremist versions of islam which have very different poles, that include terrorism and political violence. we can talk about isis or i sold, we can talk about isis or i sold, we can talk about the taliban as having this tradition. so, the idea of the taliban will be using a form of islamic law that's faithful to islam is practised, which is supposed to be equality. there are supposed to be equality. there are supposed to be equality. there are supposed to be equal rights between sexes, and the idea that the taliban will be practising a kind of faithful motion is a bridge too far.— is a bridge too far. press after karishma _ is a bridge too far. press after karishma vaswani _ is a bridge too far. press after kari

same taliban.. >> same people, and expecting different results, and every time i had an opportunity to ask people, who are negotiating, i -- justed is what the evidence they have changed, i am assured no, don't worry they are more nationalistic they have narrator: eva-marie smoked 12,000 packs of cigarettes over 15 years. she quit and now there's a new lung cancer screening that could save her life. you stopped smoking. now start screening. no matter how much you smoked, early detection could save you. talk to your doctor or learn more at savedbythescan.org >> i've been told one of reasons why for example u.s.e mains reluctance to provide air power in afghan military, while battling the taliban in recent military push, the reason is they don't want the taliban to blow up the american embassy in kabul. isn't that allowing terrorists to feel empowered. >> yes, the afghan forces on the ground, who need help, it is there is nothing subtle about it. >> absolutely. lara: he is frank and it got him in tro

taliban of 20 years ago. i think the jury is out. i think that there are a lot of, as joe biden said, the other day, the taliban has a lot of interests and not to be trusted, but their interests are aligned for the moment in trying to show the world that it is not the same organization. it was 20 years ago, i was surprised that mackenzie did embrace them as much as he did. there are so many other generals that have made exactly the antithetical case that you cannot trust the taliban at all. and people's lives and teachers are in very much in jeopardy, particularly any one that stood by us. it was interesting. the general also made a big point about the challenges that isis is going isis k is going to put on the taliban describing it them as the biggest challenge for the taliban going forward. how. how much of a worry is isis for not just the tele body for the world at large molina, i think isis k is a very big challenge. not only there, but i think you know where they are in yemen where they are in other plac

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will it include non-taliban or is it just going to be an exclusive taliban government? is what they really want, and exclusive taliban government, no interference from wannab politicians. of course that would not be a representative government. [indiscernible] making sure they do not rise up in revolt down the road. amy: we have to leave it there but we hope to have you back soon as these developments are fast unfolding. ahmed rashid is a writer and award-winning journalist. author of several books including, "taliban: militant islam, oil and fundamentalism in central asia." and also thank you to ali latifi , journalist joining us from kabul. we will continue to cover this in the days to come. coming up, we go to haiti where the death toll has reached 1300 following a magnitude 7.2 earthquake. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break] amy: "the sun" by emerante de pradines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we turn now to haiti, where the government has declared a state of emergency after a major 7.2 magnitude earthquake hit the c

al qaeda still has a relationship with the taliban despite the taliban's promises not to do so.hat do you see is the odds of terror groups basing there again and the taliban allowing it? >> greater than 75% for sure. i think, michael, what you'll see is the formation of some groups that are either al qaeda itself or al qaeda-like organizations or isis-like organizations. and those organizations will attempt to use afghanistan's ungoverned spaces to do what they did before, what they did 20 years ago. whether or not they will be successful, it really depends on the ability of the united states to follow them from an intelligence perspective if over the arising capabilities that the secretary of state and the secretary of defense have talked about don't work, then we're going to be in a bit of trouble, and there are some indications that those capabilities are not working as advertised. we've had some issues with those capabilities in the past. they can work, but you have to have a lot of stuff in the background that makes these intelligence sources actually perform to the degree

taliban.ave captured more territory, including the former us airbase at bagram. the us has begun evacuating staff from their embassy in the capital. according to eyewitnesses, taliban militants met little resistance along the way to the capital. our south asia regional editor anbarasan ethirajan watching the developments in afghanistan from delhi gave more details on reports that the taliban have sent in some fighters into kabul. the taliban spokesperson announced that some of their fighters have entered the city, not in a full force, but what they are saying is that is to prevent looting and arson and because there have been some reports of people trying to break into the shops and security forces had vacated some of the posts, so they are very clear that they are going to occupy those places where the security forces are not present, to bring the situation under control, to prevent any looting in the night and evening, so they are not saying we are going to completely take over but one never

— rights will they have in the taliban context? the taliban is a more extremist _ taliban context?ext? the taliban is a more extremist aversion of l a more extremist aversion of these issues. we usually distinguish between islam as a religious tradition, as part of a complex and nearly 2 billion people strong faith community thatis people strong faith community that is culturally quite divergent and then political islam, where they have different goals which include terrorism, include political violence. we can talk about isis, we can talk about the taliban as having this revivalist tradition. so the idea that the taliban will be using a form of islamic law thatis using a form of islamic law that is faithful to islamic practice, which is supposed to be equality before the law, there is supposed to be equal rights between the sexes, inclusive governments. the idea that the taliban will be practising a kind of faithful notion of it law, i think is a bridge too far, it is quite a stretch, i think. bridge too far, it is quite a stretch, ithink. professor, thank yom _ stretch, ithink. p

does he cut a deal with taliban taliban the -- with the taliban?s there any issue with the withdrawal? can it be conducted in an orderly fashion? in the coming days and weeks, i expect al qaeda and other terror groups, keep in mind the united nations called the deputy mayor of the taliban and military strategist who is the man with the plan to take over afghanistan. host: there's also a call for a human emergency meeting. guest: this is all perfunctory. the time for diplomacy and a stern word of statements has long passed. diplomacy and a stern word of statements, that's what got us here. the u.s. officials thought there was a diplomatic solution when the taliban always had a military solution. host: bill roggio, you can find his reporting and his work. we appreciate your time. guest: thank you for having me. it was a pleasure. host: we are going to take a short break. woman come back, we will continue talking about afghanistan. -- when we come back, we will continue talking about afghanistan. was leaving afghanistan a mistake? yes, no, unsure and

under the new taliban taliban administered afghanistan. rob, so we're waiting for this press conference to start because he intends discussions on their own stage. you know, it's, i can show what's happening and various assembled media representatives waiting for this press conference to start at rob say, how is the situation in, in cold today after the celtic scenes that we saw on monday, it continues to be slightly surreal. it is quite a calm on the streets. it is quite tense. there is an uneasiness, the tension in the air. we are seeing far more taliban on the streets today tuesday than we did. monday, yesterday, monday was the 1st day that people really started to go out and about and looking with absolute amazement, in some cases, curiosity, and other cases. these new covers people were taking cell fees. they were shaking hands with them. they were looking at in amazement at these taliban as they took up their positions, manning, roadblocks, and so on. we have seen far more a taliban stream in to cobble the capital overnight from outs

and people are very uneasy about the return of the taliban. despite all of the assurances from the taliban, that this is not the taliban of all. that there are guarantees about education for girls about women's rights and so on. there is still still a lot of needs, but i think gradually that has been an acceptance that well, the taliban is back and we have to make due with it. it has caused, as i said, panic. and if people have been able to get out of afghanistan, get hold of a passport, we've seen an awful lot of that, a real desperate attempts by people to get out of afghanistan, but then accepted by most people that yes they, they don't have that option. so they have to make the best of it and we'll be talking to people on the streets. they have been speaking to us saying, well maybe it's not that bad. if we have some sort of power sharing agreement or bring them back into government in one form or, or another. but you shows you just how quickly this scenario of change that's all out of date. and that was just people talking to days ago. because of course, there's nobody seemingly for t

the taliban were back in charge.ed to kabul airport, desperate to escape the country. 0thers hid in their homes. we gave them every chance to determine their own future. we could not provide them with the will to fight for that future. western politicians scrambled to make sense of the chaos. it would be fair to say... the collapse has been faster than even the taliban predicted. what is not true to say is that the uk government was unprepared or did not foresee this. after 20 years trying to rebuild the country, had it all been for nothing? the feeling of abandonment, of not just a country, - but the sacrifice that my friends made. i my friend massoud managed to board one of the last commercial flights out. suhail shaheen has continued to defend the ideology of the new taliban, making a call to me live on air. we're just going to see if we can put you on speaker. but will the taliban stick to their word? or could there be a return to the darkest days of public executions and the extreme suppression of women's rights

how united are the taliban as _ government. how united are the taliban as a _ government.t. how united are the taliban as a group then - government. how united are the taliban as a group then because | taliban as a group then because mike you have extremes, different factions within the group, or do they tend to have a very shared sense of what the country should look like?- country should look like? well, on the surface, _ country should look like? well, on the surface, it _ country should look like? well, on the surface, it looks - country should look like? well, on the surface, it looks like - country should look like? well, on the surface, it looks like a l on the surface, it looks like a very united group, however, there are divisions amongst them. there are a few commanders who fight the afghans before a week ago who got killed and were wounded. their view of the next government is that we want to swear and we have the right to mandate to rule however we want, however, the political leadership might be inclined to accommodate different political sects and views. ther

ih to have the prospect of life under the taliban-— the taliban.mmander— the old regime? for me, i was commander who _ the old regime? for me, i was commander who had _ the old regime? for me, i was commander who had been - the old regime? for me, i was - commander who had been fighting against them. the taliban and their sense had a justification to capture me and hold me and give me a bit of torture. but before the taliban arrived, i had this anxiety about what are they going to do to my father if they get their hands on him? i was sick with worry. but now that i'm adult and i'm seeing the world, the pain in the language is more intense. i havejust been able to speak to one of my cousins in the village where we come from, the taliban had gathered them in the local mosque this morning, the commander who has captured the village he sent me a little video of that meeting. where the commander has a very aggressive demeanour, ominous words are being said. he tells people it is going to be different from now on. they will be living under the islamic em

the taliban and — die and not just at the hands of the taliban and isis k, there will be from _ talibanthe us and uk france. how and where the intelligences coming - where the intelligences coming number one for those us strikes, those drone strikes considering looking forward, that there aren't going to be in neat forces, us forces uk forces or any allied forces uk forces or any allied forces in afghanistan of the question is, where is the intelligence going to come from? that is really interesting point and we've seen in the past couple of days, i was struck by the reports of this family that had been killed and no one seems to know exact facts. it doesn't matter but for the sake of the report, a large family had died in the age of the children and the exact place that the incident happened is a bit vague and it's because we don't know or have the eyes on the ground any more and yet, as you say, the uk government in the us government is saying that we will strike when we are prepared to come back, but how will we know that the taliban, if it has changed at all, is propaganda that's be

with the taliban.— with the taliban.ays appreciate your help. - with the taliban. we always appreciate your help. thank with the taliban. we always - appreciate your help. thank you very much indeed, trying to help us understand how this takeover by the taliban fits into broader calculations about a possible increase in islamist terrorism, as she was explaining to me that something that will take days, weeks and months to evolve and for us to understand. now, after the scenes we saw in kabul in the last 48 hours, let's check in on the situation today. there has been a relative calm. western forces have ta ken there has been a relative calm. western forces have taken kabul. you can see indian personnel here being evacuated earlier on tuesday, and we understand a french pain is also able to fly out. on the evacuation efforts, here is the uk's commander ofjoint operations. led by a significant investment in us shapes, and outcome of the airfield — us shapes, and outcome of the airfield is— us shapes, and outcome of the airf

thank _ taliban flag. we always appreciate you coming on. thank you - taliban flag.y - taliban flag. we always appreciate i you coming on. thank you very much indeed, our chief international correspondent live from kabul. let's stay in afghanistan. there's increasing security concerns at the airport. on saturday the us advised its citizens to avoid the area because of a potential threat from is militants. also on saturday — this french military aircraft was vidoed dropping flares as it exited the airport — they're used to protect aircraft from some types of attacks. expert charles lister explains... abdirahim saeed is a jihadist expert from bbc monitoring. thank you for your time. help me understand the nature of the islamic state group in afghanistan. what is its strength? to state group in afghanistan. what is its strength?— its strength? to start off with isis, it hasn't _ its strength? to start off with isis, it hasn't issued - its strength? to start off with isis, it hasn't issued an - its strength? to start off with l isis, it hasn't issued an explicit threat —

interesting you say the taliban will have to - say the taliban will have to cooperate. is it? it international community's hands, is it? , a, u, international community's hands, is it? , ., it? it is, if you have got british troo ts it? it is, if you have got british hearts in _ it? it is, if you have got british troops in there _ it? it is, if you have got british troops in there and _ it? it is, if you have got british troops in there and there - it? it is, if you have got british troops in there and there will l it? it is, if you have got british l troops in there and there will be thousands of us forces in there, and they have got a role in this as well. and there is more where they came from. we have to toughen up our approach here and go to them and say, listen, you are going to have to play ball here. we have got enough forces in kabul right now to make sure that happens. serra; enough forces in kabul right now to make sure that happens.— enough forces in kabul right now to make sure that happens. sorry to cut in, mr townsend, _ make sure that happens. sorry to c

weill. has to deal with the taliban? well, remember. — has to deal with the taliban? the taliban? well, remember, we went _ has to deal with the taliban? well, remember, we went to _ has to deal with the taliban? -ii remember, we went to afghanistan because the taliban government at the time welcomed the terrorists who caused the 9/11 attacks. this is a democratic government being replaced, overthrown by a military body which contains a large number of people regarded by international communities as terrorists. there have been talks in doha in qatar between the united states and the taliban. we don't know the status of those, but the people of afghanistan... inaudible. a brutal totalitarian... inaudible. a brutal totalitarian. .. ~ ., . inaudible. abrutaltotalitarian... ., ., a brutal totalitarian. .. more than a decade a90- _ a brutal totalitarian. .. more than a decade age it _ a brutal totalitarian. .. more than a decade ago. it is _ a brutal totalitarian. .. more than a decade ago. it is quite _ a brutal totalitarian. .. more than a decade ago. it is quite difficu

claim attacks against the taliban.is active in afghanistan through a small branch province. isis will do its best to spoil it for the taliban and make the taliban look bad, that it's not able to exert control over afghanistan, therefore isis is likely to continueo attack in the country. ross: let's take a look at the situation in kabul today. the situation has largely been relatively calm, military flies have resumed, you can see indian personnel here being evacuated early on tuesday, a french plane was also able to fly out. on the u.k.'s evacuation efforts, here's the commander of joint operations. >> led by a significant investment of u.s. troops and also by our owand other nations, now the airfield is restored, it is much calmer. it's been operating at full place today. i'm confident we now have a sort of stable airfield, in which we can get on with the business, alongside our allies and partners that we need to do. ross: the situation remains fraught for many in afghanistan. on the issue of getting people home. her

the taliban want them back. the government in tashgan is saying they're trying to make some sort of deal with the government in afghanistan. the whole thing is a real mess and it's left the afghan people desperate, displaced and hopeless. >> ali arouzi joining us from the neighboring country there that shares a 600-mile border with afghanistan. ali, thank you. we'll check back with you in a moment. >> describing the situation as desperate and hopeless. >>> we want to bring in chief correspondent of foreign affairs andrea mitchell on the phone. andrea, you have reporting that the u.s. embassy in kabul will be closing once all personnel are transferred out of there. what can you tell us about your reporting this morning? >> reporter: well, this is obviously a huge change, but there are negotiations underway with the taliban. we understand the taliban and their representatives are negotiating for a transition of government, and that the u.s. embassy now instead of remaining open has always been the commitment, will

the taliban does not trust the pakistan intelligence agency. the taliban has become powerful. it has relationships with other countries, including iran. it also has, because of this international legitimacy it has gained with its travel toguest:. this kind of military independence that he gained makes it less reliance upon back standing -- upon pakistani support. host: this on twitter from jordan, an independent film maker showing an independence day protest in kabul. he said they marched past taliban soldiers with some of them screaming back at the protesters. some of the video filmed by that filmmaker. what does that seen -- scene tell you? guest: that is a striking development and it shows you, tells you that afghanistan of 2021 is not the same as the afghanistan of 1990 six or even 2001. there are these -- afghanistan of 1996 or even 2001. that have come of age and have freedoms at the time they did not have the five years that the taliban ruled from 1996 to 2001. they will not accept a taliban government without protest. there is a notion that the afghan flag have been re