. >> susie: joining us now with more about immigration reform, tamar jacoby, president and c.e.o. of immigration works u.s.a. tamar, you heard daren as reported business groups are pushing for immigration reform, others are worried that there might be an economic cost of immigration. how do you see it? what is the economic impact of immigration, what does it -- >> immigrants are critical of economic growth, economic growth is based on two things, innovation and an adequate workforce, immigrants provide both, high skilled immigrants are innovaters and low skilled immigrant does jobs that americans are too educated to do. >> susie: so what does this mean for your, the group that you represent, there are many small businesses. they hire a lot of less skills immigrants. is this going to help or hurt them. is it going to create more competition for those small businesses? >> no, those, the employers i represent desperately want a legal way to hire low-skilled workers. they're running restaurants. they're running food processing operations, they're running tels and they face a choice ri