tamim ansary born in kabul. he left for the u.s. in 1964. he is the writer, lecturer, teacher, and director of the san francisco writers workshop and has written several books, including "a game without rules. the often undertold history of afghanistan." he'll sign this book after the program. atta arghandiwal was a prom meant nil tear officer and leader. after high school. atta served in the afghan air force. when the political situation changed in the 1980s and the russians invaded. atta fled to germany and then came to the u.s. where he enjoyed a successful banking career. like tamim he was shocked by 9/11. he visited afghanistan recently and you can raze about his amazing journey back to afghanistan, the untold store of afghanistan. he will sign the book after the program. i think today's program can be very interesting you've may hear different perspectives, learn a lot about the history of afghanistan, and if you read these two books you'll get the cop text and host of afghanistan. if you read at that time's book you'll see a character

. >> now, tamim ansary, author of games without rules, the often interrupted history of afghanistan, and atta arghandiwal, the untold afghan story. they discuss the past, sprint future of their country. this event was hosted by the commonwealth club of california.