i'll tell you what reached people about tamir rice, when i interviewed his mother a year later, she toldthere is the video of tamirice being killed. she said i watch that video all the time. i looked at her mother to mther and i said why would you do that? she said, i keep looking f some sign that he knew what was coming because she said he was so friendly with everyone and i just want to say to him, tamir, did you know what was about to happen? did you know you were about to die? that was a breakthrough moment for an awful lot of white leaders >> woodruff:ere finally a message for the whole country, that what the rest of us need to know aut where you and others, young african-americans who want to see some of the main goals that martin luther king had but want to see them realized in your vision, in the way you see what he waso talking ut? >> well, i think if you take stock of where the country is now, if you look at all the economicndicators, progress of the fact that schools are still segregated in most places, the fact that homeownership and total wealth between blacks and whites are

when tamir rice was shot within ten seconds of a police officer pulling up to him in ohio park, the officerled in we just shot 18-year-old with a gun and tamir was 14 years old. there's data from the american psychological association, when people see young black boys they think they're four to five years older than they are and they think they're a threat and dangerous. i'll give you another example, the opioid crisis going on in the country right now. african-americans and because of racism we're not doing as bad in the indicator because it's shown that doctors because of this lack of empathy that we're talking about prescribe painkillers to african-americans at a much lower rate because they've not gotten hooked and because they think we have a higher tolerance for pain and they're pervasive and they're a part of the legacy of transatlantic slave trade to today are so embedded into our system that we have much, much more work to do to break those things down and make sure that we're moving forward and understanding our biases. >> much work to do, and thank you so much to both of you on t

comes to cleveland, kills tamir rice and is not prosecuted. also in cleveland, the michael brelo case. this is a police officer acquitted of manslaughter in the 2012 deaths of melissa williams and timothy russell after a police chase. officer mistook the car back firing for gunshots. officer brelo fired, jumped onto the hood, in total police officers fired over 137 rounds into that car killing two people. neither of them were convicted of a crime. all of whom were able to return to work. your thoughts, jamil? >> neither convicted of the crime but certainly got the death sentence. what you saw in my hometown was 'em mattic of what we see in too many countries throughout this country which is this systemic bias, implicit bias within police departments against communities of colors. in sack men know, you see a community that has had enough of this. you see people who are traumatized not simply by the killing of stephon clark, but also by past killings. there was a march on the day of his funeral on thursday, and a young woman who i spoke with was

it really just reminds me of so many other incidents that have turned out worse than this one, tamir rice officers pull up and in a matter of seconds, they shoot that little boy for playing with a toy gun. and in this case two minutes they show up and men say in the interview they didn't even know why the police were there. they were saying to themselves they can't be here for us because nobody's told us anything. suddenly there are six police officers surrounding them. it really is a case of racial profiling in a neighborhood that is a very rich neighborhood, a very white neighborhood where we've had problems with stop and frisk, where only 3% of the people in that neighborhood are black yet 67% of the people stopped by police in that neighborhood are black. this is an ongoing problem. hopefully this is the beginning for solutions not only to this situation but as donte robinson said for many others like it. >> we know that the starbucks ceo has met with these two men, called this reprereprehensible, they're shutting down 8,000 starbucks stores for racial starbucks training. is that enou

how about the mother of tamir rice? that is what bias does to individuals. have a real event. >> mark: wait a minute. when you were doing the rainbow push, they have done these kinds of training sessions for corporations, for years, you needed people who can train them. in this case, starbucks, which is a famously liberal corporation, to the point where they are putting liberal messages on their coffee cups, an incident arose because they had two people in there who were in the store but didn't want to buy coffee, didn't want to buy one of their cardboard pastries, didn't want to buy one of their butterscotch pepperoni macchiatos or whatever the hell else they are selling, is the argument, because of who they are, the identity group that they belong to, they should have been allowed to remain in the store? >> no, the issue is that every other person knows that people are there who are not buying things at that exact moment. and the fact that we stereotype individuals, based on how they do not have the same rights as other people. that is across-the-board. th

this is somewhat reminiscent of tamir rice within seconds of them arriving, they shot. >> they shot him i am saying is, as a police officer, if the 911 call that comes in, what are the protocol that the police took to apprehend someone with a gun, someone who is mentally challenged? because i know if they say there is a hostage crisis somewhere, there are protocols. if they say there is a man on a bridge to wanted to commit suicide, there is a protocol to approach it. they say if there's a mental person with a gun, that person have a gun, there have to be some protocol. amy: he did not have a gun. yet a metal bar that looked like a shower head. >> that is what they say. that is what they say he had something in his hand that looked like a shower head, that is what they say. amy: we have to leave it here but we will continue to investigate this case.

this is somewhat reminiscent of tamir rice within seconds of them arriving, they shot. >> they shot him i am saying is, as a police officer, if the 911 call that comes in, what are the protocol that the police took to apprehend someone with a gun, someone who is mentally challenged? because i know if they say there is a hostage crisis somewhere, there are protocols. if they say there is a man on a bridge to wanted to commit suicide, there is a protocol to approach it. they say if there's a mental person with a gun, that person have a gun, there have to be some protocol. amy: he did not have a gun. yet a metal bar that looked like a shower head. >> that is what they say. that is what they say he had something in his hand that looked like a shower head, that is what they say. amy: we have to leave it here but we will continue to investigate this case. lorna and eric ♪ ♪ ♪ -today on "america's test kitchen"... it's vegan food for everyone. becky makes julia the ultimate vegan pinto bean beet burger. jack challenges bridget to a tasting of vegan mayo. lisa shares her favorite spiralizer too

if you have a subject with a handgun, let's take tamir rice in cleveland, the child that had a toy gunand you have a distance, you keep that distance, you can ascertain those things. that person is not putting you in grave danger if you have cover and you can take a verbal engagement. or use a small glasses, binoculars to see and you might be able to defuse it. don't always rush in. i don't think the nypd had the choice. they had to move in. and that's what was forced the situation. >> jim cavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge, always appreciate your insight, thank you. >> thanks, craig. >> president trump insisting he has confidence in scott pruitt. i'll talk to a senator who's on the committee with oversight of that agency about the growing pressure for pruitt to quit. right after this. o severe plaque psoriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of p

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we saw this in response to the tamir rice system.ke sense to roll right up on top of them if you think they're armed. in addition, if you have folks who know the community, you can do better than what strangers who are looking at this random clips of video could do. i want to make sure we get this is an individual tragedy, but there are elements of this that are absolutely nationwide. crown heights is a neighborhood experiencing some gentrification. some people don't know that he has mental health issues. all the local community officers do. folks who know about him say he started suffering mental health concerns when one of his friends was shot and killed by law enforcement. there was a settlement for that shooting. this is a tragic circle that is much broader than what you're able to tell. the facts of the individual case are never the only facts that matter when black folks get shot and killed this way. >> this is a bit long about the fact of who the officers were who were there. i'm going to ask them about it. they say they do de