we have stuart campbell who fought against the amendment and tammy fitzgerald, you helped to pass it? why did you want in this? >> is important for the people of north carolina to define more and -- marriage. not the courts. john: you thoughtthe judge would decide? >> it has happened in six days. the people of iowa never thought that what happened. massachusetts, connecticut predefined marriage. the attack has been through the judicial system. john: what do you mean the attack? that expands. it is audacious for society to think they can define it. so for the government to impose the cotte artificial definition is interference. >> we are trying to join an institution but there are 1100 benefits over married couples? [laughter] are you against gays? >> this is not the anti-gay movement. >> it is about protecting the definition of marriage of the man and woman. government has no right to define. john: a people say i consider myself married? >> they do that already. there was the parade of horribles after the amendment was to be passed but it didn't have been. it was to hurt child custody