tamra, how would you defend against that?, what the denies in this case has said, though, is that they are asking the jury to just look at the science, what they said in opening statements yesterday was that if you look at the -- listen to the experts on propofol, the leading experts, they are going to tell you that when dr. murray left that room, there was no evidence or there will be no evidence proved that there was propofol in his body at that time. how can the doctor prove this? by michael jackson's breathing, and by whatever evidence they're going to show. now, the fact is is that, you know, propofol isn't generally administered outside an operating room. bill: that's for surgery. i mean, you're in the hospital and they're going to put you under, you know? >> right. right. bill: but the doctor, in charge of his care, okay, what the defense is going to argue is that michael jackson inserted the drugs into himself. >> right. now -- >> bill: how do you prove that, joey? >> here's the thing. the fact is you don't leave a da

what is the thing, tamra, that is the spark that brings the confidence back?> i think middle class families would feel a lot more secure, one, if they had more money in their pockets. the payroll tax deduction is definitely a good step in that direction. but they'd also feel more confident if when they dropped their kids at school they weren't going do overcrowded classrooms because teachers are laid off. when they walk past the fire station that's empty because firefighters are laid off. everywhere they turn, they see layoffs all around them, their neighbors are sitting in homes that are worth less than their mortgages. all of that is sapping everybody's confidence. >> do you think they need another year of unemployment benef benefits? when you talk about this, conservatives go crazy. they think three years of people on unemployment is too much. >> it is. it's a moral tragedy that we have that many people out of work for that long. which is why the republicans and everybody else in congress has to get serious about doing something. we have got to do more fede

so tamra, why the objection to allowing bible verses to be incorporated into the discussion of this, which is taught by the chaplain? >> well, for that very reason, martha. i think because it is taught by chaplains, it's not taught by any other air force officer. it's a mandatory class, and you know, to teach phorbls and ethics is not a bad thing. the problem is, the jesus christ, the you know, abraham, and all these different biblical tones and insinuations -- and it's not just jesus christ, it's not just the bible, but there are also the teachings of a former nazi in there -- most of the complaints are also, martha, coming from christians and catholics who have been through this program. it's not from other religions. martha: doug, legitimate complaints? >> yes. martha: what about the legal basis for this? >> i have to look at why this happened. first of all this course has been there, martha, for 20 years, okay, so the first question you want to ask is what happened. what happened is a group, you know, military, religious freedom group, came in and challenged it now because they w