so probably 20 percent of the people that we're serving in tanf have substance abuse problems and a similarype for the homeless programs. but, when they have both substance abuse and poverty issues, their problems are much, much higher and really need a much more concentrated effort. yeah, for them to get help. and, neli, for, for individuals who are dealing with substance use disorder, let's take them first. what do they present as they come into the marketplace? the underlying issue of drug and alcohol addiction is the underlying issue. the real barrier as to employment are some of the criminal justice backgrounds that people have established along the way that prevent them from getting a job: their financial history, the fact that they may be homeless and don't have a base to operate from, the fact that they might have children in tow. and, you know, education can be a barrier, if, you know, there's a very high likelihood of drug and alcohol addiction and failure to complete a formal education. so the barriers, basically, just go on and on, with the underlying issue being drug and alcoho

that's what tanf is supposed to be about is to help people get jobs. republican governors asked for the help. governor romney himself asked for the help to me it's what's bigger than a whopper. it's a whopper. >> woodruff: robert rector, how do you see it? >> these are the work requirements that were put in into the tanf law in 1996. i wrote most of these requirements and these were the motor that drove that law to reduce poverty and welfare dependence by requiring welfare recipients to work or prepare for work or at least part of them as a condition for receiving aid. what the obama administration has done is taken these and said they're gone, either out of picture, they no longer have any meaning in law and we'll replace them with something else. but you should trust us we're not planning to alter program. their action was completely illegal and it violates and wipes out the entire core of reform. >> woodruff: peter edelman, as i understand it the white house is saying that is not what they've done. explain why what mr. rector is saying isn't correct

quote greater flexibility in tanf that's the welfare program program, and grant states waivers.t would appear to be nearly ideal language. well, what president obama did was give the republicans exactly when they wanted. in fact, back in 2009 look at all these governors, 29 different governors that signed the letter saying please give us that waiver. we need the flexibility. tim pawlenty barber arnold schwarzenegger who is this guy? oh yeah mitt friggin' romney, governor of massachusetts. he asked for the waiver. obama said republicans, you win i'll give you the waiver. then they turned around and said, we got you. you don't want people to work ha ha, ha. look there are two rules here on "the young turks" regarding republicans. first of all they lie with impunity and without a conscience. as they complain and cry, i can't believe what obama said about bain and they got the guy and the girl who died, and i can't believe it. [ sobbing ] right? they'll turn around and do a lie like this. they ran two different ads on it. they full-on know it's a lie. second rule, never agree with a

and, and we will deputize other case managers in the city to be our tanf or our homeless case manager as long as they can continue to help the people along the road both to recovery and to self-sufficiency, and they can tap directly into our services and supports so that they can have help with housing, have help with education, have help with getting a job. but maybe they're bringing their expertise from substance abuse or mental health and the final element is the family or the individual chooses who their primary case manager is going to be and then we all support both that family and that primary case manager. excellent. and, peggy, in, in terms of, you see the whole realm of it. you were just saying that earlier, during the break, that you deal not only with the individual but with the family. and what things are the most successful, in your view, in terms of retention of good employees? because, you know, as, as we were noting before, individuals that are in recovery, or individuals that have a problem, that need to go to treatment, are individuals that are, i suspect, very valu

employer incentive program targeted to create jobs for the temporary -- the program, the welfare program, tanfxecutive budget. in seeking a waiver, the governor from utah, his office wrote we are very interested in being of assistance in the work of providing flexibility within and among fundi ining sources f more effective outcomes sfwl right. >> when these five governors asked for flexibility, governor, the department of health and human services responded by saying we'll give you flexibility, but only, only if you continue to make sure people go from welfare to work and you increase the work capabilities rather than reduce them. we'll give you some flexibility. >> not quite. not quite, wolf. go back and read what you just read me. that letter says that they want programs inconjunction with employers. they want flexibility. what that was intended to do was to give flexibility on how they eratrted and ermi coe effortsh employers. proghaeal with employers. but you shouldnot, in responding to that, include in the hhs memo broad enough language that allows it to include aspects that are not empl

tanf? p no, we'll put that in the cr too. and the debt limit, well, if you let the payroll tax holiday expire, that produces 10 billioi a month, that might help amuch little bit. $10 billion isn't much, but it helps just a little bit. in otherup words, what i havefix heard in the last couple of weeks is an awful lot of people to say, hey, let's fix it later. wow. i hope they are not right. i hope once the election is over, and i expect nothing before it, that markets basically come up and say, there is a deal to be had. here is a deal we almost had last year. president obama and speaker boehner cut this deal. did you ever buy a car, sit down with the salesman, decide on a price, shake hands? you have been through that, right? he says, i have to go check with the manager. [laughter] obama shook hands with boehner last july. the deal fell apart. i am not trying to say why. they had a deal. revenues $800 billion. entitlements, health, $400 billion. remember my charts. that is where the major problem is. a good start. chained cpi