tania bruguera, welcome to hardtalk. here we are in the tate modern gallery.is stuffed full of things, of paintings, sculpture, and yet you as an artist seem much less concerned about things, much more focused on ideas. would that be fair? absolutely. i think the work i do as an artist is focused on gestures, i want to do political gestures, institutional gestures, human gestures, and i always feel that some things are invisible. and in a sense, it strikes me that the tools of your art are people, both yourself but also the viewers, the audience as well. rather than paint or material, it is people that matter. well, the material of the art is how we are together, and of course that is only made by people. not long ago, you said that "art is an expression of myself, it is not something to be collected." some might find that a little narcissistic. well, i didn't mean it about me, i meant that art should be the place in which everybody can look at themselves, and when i say not to be collected, i mean that we have to pay attention on what is the role of art? art