tanya acker, and nancy skinner, and amanda carpenter and tony fratto, former white house aid to president bush. tanya, the billions of dollars goldman earned means goldman will pay the federal government $5 billion in income taxes this year. why should we be upset gold man is earning money. >> that's all well and good. frankly, i don't think anyone is upset goldman is earning money. what happened was goldman was the beneficiary of the government intervention and lived to do another deal and got a government bailout and taxpayers are confused by that isn't being felt on main street. >> you are saying they lied about the bailout. that is entirely untrue. the company had $10 million in capital and never needed it and paid it back yet you guys won't get out of their face. >> aig, dennis, what about aig. >> exactly. >> i'll bet neither one of you has reported this with wall street sources on aig, i happen to know those $20 billion at risk, aig gave goldman $10 billion in cash and goldman did default swaps with the remainder. goldman would have been covered by aig if it faltered and they did no

tanya acker, and "huffington post" blogger jack, see if you can pin the senator down better than i do. i want to know if the senate and house decide, yes, they will start being covered by the health care plan they pass for the rest of america. >> under our legislation, folks, that would be required there, would be one set of rules. >> i could not improved on you act. senator, if i have a wife and three children, i've asked democrats this question for a month and nobody gives me a straight answer. if i have three or four children, why should the federal government pay for their health insurance and i should not have to? could you please answer that legislation. >> under our legislation. >> answer my question -- >> let mim answer, jack, please don't interrupt him. these senators get very testy if you interrupt them. >> i do think there ought to be personal responsibility. in that kind of instance, if you're talking about youngsters, yes, the parent should be held accountable. if the parent has no money at all, i won't see the youngster suffer not getting health care at an early ancge. i

here is julie raginsky, democratic strategist, tanya acker, lawyer and "huffington post" blogger and republican strategist and ben ferguson, radio show host. guys, a couple ground rules before we begin. let's see if we can go the entire show before anyone saying let me finish and please keep your bites shorter and faster so you don't have to ask to let you finish because you're finished before anyone had a chance to interrupt you. julia, it looks like this entire health care debate is heading south on obama. >> i still believe we will get health care reform in some shape or form. you're right. obama has staked too much political capital not to see this through, so has the democratic party that runs both houses of congress. i don't know what we will get but predict we will get some meaningful health care reform before the year is out. >> i think obama is really stretching when he talked about his dead grandmother wasn't sure if she should get a hip replacement the end of her life, said he would have paid for it out of his own pocket but doesn't think this can sustain that type of thin