so i answered her question and she just said, we don't do interracial marriages. >> tanya acker, put is in perspective. we just elected an african-american president. you'd think we were in a post-racial world, but apparently not. tanya? oh. >> can you hear me? >> go ahead. yeah. >> i don't think we're going backward. i think what you're seeing happen is these sorts of incidents are getting more attention because people realize that this stuff is just not okay, it's not american, it's not human, it's not dignified, it's not right. and i think that now people are just reacting to it more, so we're seeing it get more attention. but i actually think we're on the upswing. i think we're moving in the right direction, notwithstanding these holdouts we keep hearing about from time to time. >> all right. i want to thank our fantastic panel for a very fascinating discussion. we're going to stay on top of that story. >>> steve phillips against canned by espn. the sportscaster was caught having a sexual affair with a co-worker. he had it all, so why do these men continue to risk everything for s

let's go back to tanya acker, blogger for the huffington post. criminal defense attorney bradford cohen and clinical psychiatrist, dr. dale archer. dr. dale, in the first case, it was a wild out of control chicago mob. in the second case, prosecutors say these four teenaged males entered the home intending to kill the occupants and allegedly proceeded to murder the mom in her bed. officials say their goal was to rob the home with the intention of killing everyone inside. is there any way to explain this kind of sadism we're now seeing in the country and in the city? >> well, there's no doubt that violence has taken on epidemic status. in just a few statistics, 60% of kids have witnessed violence. 60% of kids have been assaulted and 20%, 20% of kids have seen a shooting. so there's no doubt it's an epidemic and there are three reasons why. you alluded to them. one, violence on the internet. two, violence on tv and three, violence in video games. kids are seeing it every single day and teenaged years are tough enough, always have been, but now that

. >> tanya acker, whatever i see institutionalized cruelty, i always say follow the money. follow the money. somebody is getting very rich off of all of this. >> that's right. and lisa really hit the nail on the head when you talk about the fact that these inmates really are paying through the nose for everything. and look, you know, again, i think like everybody on this panel. i don't think anybody here is making excuses for people who do bad things. and we do want to see people punished and we want to see justice dealt. you've got to be very suspicious when you see this cycle of easy to prosecute offenders being put -- being incarcerated in private facilities where folks are making a tremendous amount of money. there's something about that -- >> lisa -- >> it doesn't feel right. >> 20 seconds. what did your young man do? i understand he pushed somebody, he was holding his child and pushed his girlfriend? >> yeah, domestic violence -- he and his girlfriend fought, he pushed her, he was holding the child, it becomes a felony, child endangerment. they fought. and nobody got