taoism because it is rooted where you grew up. >> that is like the advancing shiva.his image of the ying yong in the center there now virtually belongs to the world and chinese say that one can learn more from gazing at that image and from reading 1000 books. what it does is to take the opposite of life, good and evil, light and dark, sickness, health, and show that there is no razor-sharp division, but note the way in which each sort of meanders in to the others domain and takes up at citadel in the very heart of its opposite. very quickly, let me tell you a story that i think will be at the heart of it. it is of a farmer and his horse ran away. they are helping to commiserate. he says who knows what is good or bad and true? the next day, the horse came back with a drove of wild horses that it had defended, so the neighbor comes over tulatet again, who knows what is good or bad and true? because his young teenage son got horsing around on those horses, fell off and broke his leg. the neighbor comes over to commiserate. man says who knows what is good and bad? and hi

charles: i've spent some taoism with jack and had lunch and dinner with him, and i think he also sees world, you know, the underdeveloped countries not have to go through the imf and other ways to get on track. i need a shorter answer, but i need one on the ecb, christine la guard over weekend saying bitcoin is not a currency -- christine lagarde. >> bitcoin is obviously a currency. i get paid 100% many bitcoin. to say that is very ignorant, and i think the saddest point was she didn't really give a reason, he just sort of said is it. and i believe she feels this way because she realizes as the president of european central bank that bitcoin has the ability to dismantle the establishment disintermediate government and central banks, and when you don't need the government and central banks, they have less control and less power. charles: we've got to work on getting you out of your shell, to kind of be a little bit more passionate about things and speak directly and not be afraid. in the meantime, thank you so much, and we'll talk to you again real soon. >> thanks, charles. charles: ho

early taoism and confucianism. i have written previously on a tension there.ll these thinkers i look at in early china want you to be spontaneous. they want you to be in this state that i translate as effortless action. it is like being in the zone when you play sports. it is a state where you lose a sense of self. everything sort of just works. everything feels effortless and perfect. you can solve problems. they have a tension -- they want you to be spontaneous but how do you tried not to try? that is a topic of one of my earlier books. how do you consciously make yourself spontaneous? it seems like a paradox. and it is from a cognitive scientific perspective a paradox. in one of these texts. it is really kind of a side, but they compared the person to somebody who is drunk. they lose a sense of themselves. they are relaxed. they are feeling spontaneous. that puts a seed in my mind and i think of this idea that this is a tension that you cannot solve to just forcing your way through it. you cannot try to be relaxed. maybe chemical intoxicants, especially alc