. >> joining me now is democratic strategist tara dowdell. read this report in "the huffington post." is this strategically for the koch brothers? they have tried other strategies. they're advertising, trying to make a warmer, fuzzy image. they're getting on this school to prison pipeline. is this a smart way for the koch brothers to rebrand themselves, or is this just about growing future republicans? >> well, i think this is definitely about growing future republicans and advancing the koch brother ideology. one of the koch brothers actually ran as a libertarian political candidate. so this is certainly about that. the problem with this is that many people don't know a lot of these programs -- and this is not the only program that they have. many of these programs have names that sound rather benign. they sound very helpful. so people don't know these programs are being backed by the koch brothers for the explicit purpose of advancing a gop ideology. >> what's interesting is -- >> a partisan ideology. >> it's interesting that the koch broth

joining me, political consultant, tara dowdell. think this is significant, because to me, the cautious thing to do here, the political calculation which would be cautious, i'm open to the white house line, maybe we should reexamine it. she took it and that's significant to me because it says "a," maybe she believes that which might be the reason it's driving her, also she has some sense that actually that's the mipolitically winning side this issue. >> i think ultimately this will be the politically winning side of this issue. the republicans did not do themselves any favors when they supported these mobs of people going down yelling at children. that was in the media. those images. i think ultimately taking this position, she's on the right side of history on this issue. i mean, these are children we're talking about. >> right. here's the thing. it is very easy. you can see a kind of consensus start to form. we've got to get these kids out of here real quick. you're seeing people deport, deport, deport. i would be very easy, i thi

joining me now is dana milbank and tara dowdell. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> hi, reverend. >> dana, you've got real ugliness here. someone talking about harvesting voters. how does this hurt the gop if mcdaniel and his supporters just won't go away? >> p yeah. there is something special about the tea party now claiming president's cup of the voting rights act after cheering its demise at the supreme court in recent months and years. i think what you are seeing here is sort of the meltdown of the tea party. the tea has been boiling a little bit too long here. the republican party, let's face it. thad cochran is as conservative as they come. ideologically it's a tea party. the question is are there people who believe in government. are there people trying to burn the entire thing down. that's what you are seeing from mcdonnell. this scorched earth politics throwing race into the equation, putting out this sort of bounty. he's not going to win the challenge. he's going to sully thad cochran and his party. >> now, tara, y

. >> back with me, democratic strategist tara dowdell, msnbc.com's erin carmone, and mark murray. the thing i think is confounding is you have people saying, why are these women that you talk to complaining? nobody is restricting them from getting birth control. they can still get it. they just have to buy it. >> the most effective forms of birth control are also the most expensive. there is a wealth of data out there. that's, in fact, the same data the government looked at when they created this regulation. it shows, for example, there was a study that showed the unintended pregnancy rate and abortion rate declined dramatically when you make it easy for people who want iuds to get them for free. if you think unintended pregnancy is a problem, if you think the abortion rate is a problem, making it easier for people to get contraception when even the smallest financial burdens, then why aren't you 100% behind this? >> and they're still covering viagra. let's talk about the politics. this issue has really set women off. i was at the essence festival over the weekend. besides voting,

with me at the table, sarah knight from the american constitution society, democratic strategist, tara, dowdel and national reporter suzy kim, and joining us from michigan is jonathan cohen, a senior and writer for their new blog. he is also author of the book "sick, the untold story of america's health care crisis and the people who pay the price." nice to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> tell me, what exactly happened here, and what is likely to happen next? >> it's as you described. the opponents of the affordable care act found some ambiguity, some confusing language in the text of the law. now, as anyone who knows how congress works, this is not uncommon. it is typical in a large piece of legislation. you have some language that was just, you know, written in the wrong way because making a law is a complicated process. typically the courts say when that happens they say, well, we'll defer to the agency that is in charge of putting this law into effect. we'll let them figure out exactly what it was supposed to mean. the opponents of the aca have seized on this lairnk and said no, no,