tara dowdell first.s? >> exactly. this is where we are. they are boundary testing. and the more they get away with, the more they're going to do. they are not -- the republican party is not going to be satisfied until they fully turn the clock back. and that is dangerous for people of color, women. it's dangerous for religious minorities. i would go on and on. it's dangerous for people with -- identity. it could go on and on and on. >> boundary testing. michelle goldberg, the last word goes to you. do democrats fully understand this, do you think? >> i think they're starting to, but you can see i think that there was a lot of complacency about roe v. wade. >> yeah. >> and now we're starting to see where that has led us. i read a book in 2006 about the rise of christian nationalism about this kind of political movement that wanted to turn this country into a christian nation. often the subtext was a white christian nation. and i think that we're seeing the fruition of that movement right now. >> yep, inde