tarana burke, dr.thank you, thank you for having us. >> trevor: it is very seldom that i have two guests simultaneously on the show. it is also very rare i have two guests i hold in such high regard at the same time on the show. tarana burke, many people are familiar with you as the founder of the #metoo movement, and "time" person of the year. dr. berne brown, many people are familiar with your work through your podcasts our one of your five night. bestsaleers where you talk about everything trauma related, and thank you both for joining me on the show because you have come here with a really interesting project where you have worth together to compile an anthology, a collection of essays that gives us insight into trauma and how it affects people throughout their lives, especially back people in the living day. can i just say congratulations on proving something-- having a born and bred new yorker working with a proud texan. i didn't know that was possible, ladies. >> that was the biggest hurdle of t

tarana burke and brene brown join us now. essays, guys, are so powerful. i pulled out a couple -- laverne cox says she never leaves home without her armor up. i like that. professor mark lamont hill says therapy is a staple of his emotional diet. and in the beginning it was a badge of shame, and now it's key to survival. you just have one powerful reading after another after another. so tarana, i want to start with you. what were you trying to accomplish with the essays? what were looking for, and why did you think brene brown would be the first partner for this? -- the perfect partner for this? >> well, brene and i are friends, and i had many discussions with her about some of these topics, and when this came up, when george floyd and breonna taylor hit us like a ton of bricks last summer, i was really sad, and i watched a lot of black people around me who were also sad and felt a range of emotions, but nobody really was tapping into what we were feeling as much as they were asking how can we be better people, how can we be