. >> you went all tarantino on the story before tarantino even existed, right? i mean, the fact is that that kind of disruption of narrative is a little more conventional these days, not entirely, but is nonetheless, radical to encounter as a reader still because we are conditioned to believe things are going to be told in some orderly fashion. >> well, it is orderly, but it's backwards. >> but it's backwards, right. >> it's like a film going backwards. >> right. >> and you -- i made some fascinating discoveries, for instance, that the arrow of time is identical to the arrow of morality. that if you reverse things in time, the moral weight of the event completely flips. >> flips, right. >> so if a child is crying and it's backwards in time, well, you slap it's face and it's happy again. and that applies to the whole project of the holocaust, which is backwards in time is a kind of dirky miracle. you're summoning a race down from the sky. >> right. >> and then taking them back to their towns and villages, and putting them back in their houses. >> right. >> rather