war, you see, the ukrainians bought it there and now they have their own real estate there, so taras kuzyobanadian ukrainian political scientist, mr. taras, has already appeared here are political questions. and i decided that i will not ask you a political question, recalling our meeting ten days ago. i think the audience will be much more interested now . it was necessary, and we just talked about the fact that only integral nationalists in the early 90s, when ukraine was rising as a state, they told everyone that they were nobody, ani lukyanenko , ani chornovil, ani dissidents, that only those who fought in the oun-up and served 15- 20 25 years ago, siberia was said to be attacked by russia, and opposite stood dissidents, already modern sixties, the same ivan the terrible, yes, the world has changed , nothing like that will happen now in russia , a normal country, taras, say we are on you, because we have known each other for 30 years, how much more than 30 years, then i i also want to ask you some history of your disputes , your discussions with your relatives . please tell me. well, ju