one of the reasons we know this is because tarkanian litigated for 20 years.here are people under oath who basically said, the investigators said to me, we are going to get him, run him out of college sports. the head investigator had to admit in congressional testimony that he called tarkanian a rug merchant. he went on to be the head of division i. had a very, very long career. all the criticism in recent years has changed a little, but it still has incredible power over the athletes who are basically 18, 19, 20 years old, who have no means to really defend themselves and fight back. charlie: here are the questions you posed in the "new york times." how can the ncaa ruin careers without due process or common fairness? how can it act so ruthlessly to enforce rules that are so petty, and why won't anyone stand up to violations of american values and american justice? joe: five years later and it drives me crazy. charlie: it really does make you angry. oe: it does. charlie: business fraud? joe:i would not go that far. [laughter] i was at this table during the f