. >> tarra, hold on a second. >> let me get to elle. tarra, hold. it get to elle and be fair here.do you think that he's handling the snowden. allen said if the government was smart, the government wouldn't charge him with espionage and charge him with simple theft and charging with espionage escalated it to a political issue. i do wonder if the president can have it both ways. the most dangerous thing to happen. and no, it is a flake hacker. >> yeah, i do think there is difficulty with the no den thing on the one hand a lot of people progressive and conservatives on potting sides of the aisle who don't think what snow depdid wrong. and on the other hand he violated u.s. law. it is a difficult thing to see what he is charged with and brought to justice. what is not reasonable that shows obama is a failure because he will not invade russian air space to get a kid. we need cooler heads to figure out what to do with this guy and once we figure it out, i am sure we'll achieve it. >> that's where we will leave it for now. we'll come back with both of you now. we know the president is a

. >> tarra, hold on a second. >> let me get to elle. tarra, hold. it get to elle and be fair here.do you think that he's handling the snowden. allen said if the government was smart, the government wouldn't charge him with espionage and charge him with simple theft and charging with espionage escalated it to a political issue. i do wonder if the president can have it both ways. the most dangerous thing to happen. and no, it is a flake hacker. >> yeah, i do think there is difficulty with the no den thing on the one hand a lot of people progressive and conservatives on potting sides of the aisle who don't think what snow depdid wrong. and on the other hand he violated u.s. law. it is a difficult thing to see what he is charged with and brought to justice. what is not reasonable that shows obama is a failure because he will not invade russian air space to get a kid. we need cooler heads to figure out what to do with this guy and once we figure it out, i am sure we'll achieve it. >> that's where we will leave it for now. we'll come back with both of you now. we know the president is a